I did not elected Pres. Clinton because I am a Canadian.

Secondly I am proud of my my life, retired and married 35 years with the same sweethearth I met when I was 20.

I was under the impression that the great American buddy was no more with the Napoleon LAW ( meaning guilty till proven otherwise. ) I was wrong I suppose when I think about you as more tollerant than us.Well I feel quite differently this evening. It seems to me that nothing will change the mind of a number of peoples which realy want get rid of the leader of the country.I feel so much hate...

HigRise Strad MoreGold Studio, good fight..love you brothers,

Good nigth

Snowbird -

If you have read my posts over the months, I was telling anybody who would listen that I didn't believe in this whole silver shortage thing. The trouble is, I then layed in some shorts and got stopped out on a 40 cent gap up.

You are absolutely correct that there is no shortage of deliverable silver in the world. London doesn't report stocks. Tonnes are routinely between here and there. There is plenty of silver in the world. All this is true.

Silver will still rise. Silver is a purely manipulated market. One can make excellent profits by simply following the big money. I believe the big players - J. Arron, Republic, Smith Barney, et al want it to run.

This is where things get tricky for most people. Americans are a savvy lot, and our cynicism runs deep. We have no trouble believing in any number of machinations, manipulations, back room deals, and fixes. This is America, after all, the home of the DEAL. But when it comes time to accept that the fix is in, and simply follow the big boys who fixed the whole damn thing to start with, many become squeamish. Let's face it, this is not a pretty business. But we are talking about the origins of avarice here. Silver and gold bring out the base in man belying the label: Noble Metals.

We can never hope to know what they know, or see the valley from quite their lofty perspective high on the summit. We can, however, watch and learn. With a keen and sober eye, we can often discern just what it is that they may be up to, hopefully before its all over. They will not tell us how they play, but we may pick up a few moves if we pay attention.

His is the president whom YOU elected.As Ziva mentioned it:

Re: Clinton,,,,,,LEAVE THE GUY ALONE!!!!!!!!

He is just reading the script.

Exactly the same as the guy who is reading your evening news on TV.

Do you really thing that he is formulating US policy ?

S.Korea proposes debt restructuring plan

NEW YORK, Jan 21 ( Reuters ) - South Korea proposed a debt restructuring plan to international lenders on Wednesday that would convert short- term bank debt to guaranteed loans, said a banker close to the negotiations.

Under the plan, Korea would offer to swap all Korean banks' existing short- term loans for loans guaranteed by the Korean government and carrying one- to three- year maturities, the banker said. Anything that is a non- won denominated international obligation of the Korean banking sector...that falls due in 1998 is eligible, he said.

However, some very interesting propositions are made by each man; but they do the reader/listener a disservice as they attempt to mold a career by speculating around a few events and situations, unable to provide anything more than circumstantial proof.

DR. COLEMAN'S report offers Henry Kissinger's involvement in the Korean War. Dates for that war and Dr. Kissinger's activities at the time do not support this.

Dr. Coleman also has mistaken the origin of rock 'n' roll. Maybe he's not familiar with Allan Freed. See the straw fence he builds?

MR. COOPER...is a sensationalist, yet fetches one interesting story of a military coup's responsibility for the ousting of Richard M. Nixon from the U.S. Presidency.

Briefly,... I had wondered at the time of the President's resignation why all U.S. Navy warships in San Diego Harbor ( I can not speak of other forces ) were ordered out of port, or what is called an emergency underway, setting Defcon 1. The only answer I was given at the time ( yes I questioned it ) was that for a moment nobody will have control of The Button. Hogwash, I said, then, as well as now.

Oh my, but it was a magnificent sight to see.

So they are worth reading, though I would not follow them far.

( Defcon 1 is Defense Condition One, highest alert, war is emanant. )

Forget about Kitco and the Discussion Forum......Ask a Geologist....

When is the gold price going to hit US$400 - time and date?

Cut and paste........

http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/docs/ask- a- ge.html

http://www.house.gov/democrats/research/downsize.html

On the other hand, if he has the gonies to stand there and deny everything as smooth as he does, knowing that he is prevaricating beyond belief, he should be impeached.

With that said, since this is a gold forum, and not a political BS sludgepool, what will happen to the dollar and gold?

In 1973- 74, as the stock market plunged, every attempt to rally was squashed with accusations against Nixon and Agnew, and metals rallied. I predict that, if there is evidence against Clinton on this accusation, the dollar will croak.

All -

Since I trade both sides of the market, I am more concerned with volatility than direction. Up, down, all the same to me. Don't like sideways much though. Since silver is inherently more volatile than the other metals, most of my short term trading is done in silver. Some might find the attached silver history and averages interesting. Its more a measure of how much the price moved than where it went. I just plugged in the 1997 numbers. So the methodology is understood, I used the following assumptions:

Early numbers are based on perpetual chart data received from The Future Source. Data from1993 forward are based on closing spot prices.

All monthly averages are weighted to actual monthly movements.

Rather than divide the price movement into the low for the year - which would yield much higher percentages - I divided the price move into the high. I think this gives a more accurate picture of net potential.

Will work up a standard deviation chart in the next week. Clearly, silver is the metal that moves the most.

What is the deal with Bema , first time it has traded down on an up day in gold. Any informtion please!!!!

How can they believe,when told Gold Is Dead .

Who will spread the word,when the press is bought,

Who will save the rocket scientists,the Teckies,the lot?

They are the programmers,easily programmed,

They are the workers,with their checks in the mail.

They are new breed,the engine of prosperity,

They have been programmed,this engine can't fail.

Go Gold!

LGB -

Also agree if COMEX stocks drop below 100 mil, silver go way high way fast.

Harmony is up again - 5% . Its at 2- 3/8. I got a

bowl of prickly pears that says Harmony will see

4 1/2 in a short time.

To LGB

Haughty Eyes and a Lying Tongue - Could you play me the

first couple of bars please

Karlita had Bette Davis Eyes.

and a little clammy too.

So far no one has gotten the answer to my quiz or even

taken the slightest interest in it - so we have a tie so

far.

So I'll give you a CLUE. I assume you are familiar with

the Opera the Rakes progress by Igor ( thats eye- gore )

Stravinsky. Boris will remember him as he and Shostakovich

used to drink absolute near his place in Moscow. Now thats

your FIRST clue.

Could that tsunami contain GOLD AND OIL

Saudis let oil prices sink - CNNfn Jan 21 12:39 p.m. ET

http://cnnfn.com/markets/wires/9801/21/oil_wg/

The above should be read in conjunction with my earlier Jan 20 17:58 posting!

http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q1/1998_01/980120.175859.trinovant.htm

No they were Algerian not Aquarian .. and I hope nobody

tried to carry them around in their v......... -

Goes double for Swedish grinders

Just found your post on Art Bell. Do you know where he broadcasts from so I can contact them to see if he is on in my locality?

Also, where are the archives you mentioned?

Ive heard before that swedish grinding tools are usefull

for forecasting - I went shopping today and I got a box of

prickly pears from Algeria and some dates from Pakistan. As

soon as I came home, I tried to forecast the gold price with

the prickly pears but I came up with zilch. Then I tried the

dates. No luck there either but I did get the winner of the

next cricket match in Australia.

Generally speaking, fruit and veg are not good for

forecasting. Stick with the grinding tools. Im sure that the

FBI uses them for matters involving finding things in v.......s.

toes do the Japanane soothsayers have, and & the China- men- of denial - - men at the top, desperately attempting to plug the relentless, reality of spreading, ever- more bursting- breaks of the red- ink in the bursting dam; pumpd into Asia from the all too- eager, greedy Western bloated banks eager to loan loans from their bulging coffers, of the West.

Eager, in exhange, eager have we been to siphon off the interest- rate repaprations of riches from the East, as long as the exploitive charade could be maintained.

But the piper, must at last be paid...... at last - - the chickens are coming home to roost.....right here, to America's stocks, and bonds, and, and shaky markets.

The bloat of red- ink spreading across the seas, knows no political boundaries; the chckens or artificial currency & credit, are coming home to roost - - from whence they came - the U.S.'s central bank & gov't instituion money machines. The piper will be paid.

And all nations and peoples will have it hard - tighten thr belts to make ends meet in a deflationary/depresionary world, where their currency have collapsed vue to U.S. dollar imperialism & hegemony. To help them tighten their belts, face the music, and ultimatley work, at far more humble weekly pay, or, if available, weekly relief checks, we Americans might sick eating out, once a week.

Politically, turmoil is unavoiably brewing as millions are thrown out of work. This is a caldron pot of explosive ramifications - brewing and boiling over till the 'experts' in Washinton & broah have nothing to do but their wash their hands - in the brew. The ivory toward experts with 3 cars in the garage, our 'trusted' financial & politcal leaders are wringing their hands too be sure; they might just as welll wring out their socks to dry, as well. And may we pray that they finallly give up the folly of their ways: they cannot manage and control what 'mother- nature' and the natural law of sound banking & monetary principles, does best.

Ultimately.... a universal standard of monetary unit, and medium of excange, based on sound banking and credit institutions - - universallly accepted the world over - - and immune from any politicians & power- interests, with their hidden self- centered agendas, - - will be

reputed and replaced, once and for all, by the truth and trial of true money, genuine & enduring thru time immorial - - the test of milleniums past...prove the test of the milllenium to come...if we can hold fast to the courage and the conviction, to see it through. It is our best hope..to usher in a time of world peace and prosperity.

Innherently enduring, stable, trusted- world, trusted gold money, the world- over, is our onmly ticket out of the thretening malestrom in the bull- ring where the bull and bear where will otherwise fight it to a bloody ruin rthat would set cvilization back, for generations.

And then credit & currency crises like the spreading Asian contagion that will ineviably spread across the world, sprawning untold misery upon the backs, and into the houses & huts, of millions of innocents, across the world......such transgressions of man's inhumanity to man....all in the name of false pride, avarice, denial, and corupting greed, will be no more. The lust for greed and power, will ultimately devour those from whence such curses arise.

After reading Ziva's prediction of war in the middle east

and a general big messup coming I thought I would offer this

poem in the form of a quiz to all sportsfans.

Prize is a copy of my spreadsheet sent in *.rtf which you will

probably spend the rest of your life trying to locate and

decode.

OK WHO Wrote

the sky is spreading with a stain

something's going to fall like rain

and it won't be roses

In case of a tie, nobody gets anything.

I want some HOT gold chains too

you listenin preacher man ?

versus the same prior quarter.

Western Areas made a profit of 0.81R versus a LOSS of

.244R prior quarter.

Randfontein ( my second favorite ) MADE O.61R versus

0.10R the prior quarter. The average gold price for the

quarter was about $ 307 I believe.

Take a look at Randfonts - .61 for the quarter makes

2.44 for the year - at a 10/1 pe makes a price of 24.4.

Its trading 8.3 Rd. HMMMMMMM.

These are the mines that were supposed to be bleeding

red ink at low gold prices - anybody remember

For Selby - you referred to ABX mines with a cost

of 200 Rand per ounce. Can you demonstrate costs for

those mines using ABX results I bet you cant do it.

I think you are taking Munk's WORD for it ( via a

hireling accountant ) . Munk is the PT Barnum of the

industry - didnt he say there was one born every

minute.

http://members.aol.com/wcrimi/gold.html

I have been on this forum, for a while, I was totally unaware of this report also. TO tell you the truth I find it hard to believe that no more concern has been shown from others here. One thing is for sure , if this market gives me half- a- chance I will get the hell out and find a new place to invest.

THIS BOY AIN'T THAT DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How does that work

I love you too, Earl

Management theory guru Peter Drucker says that modern

government can do only two things well: wage war and

inflate the currency.

Nixon: Drucker says that modern government can do

only two things well: wage war and inflate the currency.

It's the aim of this administration to prove Mr. Drucker

wrong.

( ...with respects to goldfevr )

Thanks Ziva

Brilliant analysis, thanks

Hi Colleen

Thanks

Ziva,

I would be very interested in hearing more of your 1984 trek to…… just beyond Base Camp? To the foot of the Khumbu Icefall? I have a project in which Everest may play a role. I met Ed Viesters last month and saw some pictures of his 96 and 97 expeditions. NOVA will be broadcasting the results and film of the May, 97 expedition in which cognitive tests were given to Ed and David Breashears all the way up. A transcript of the summit broadcast can be found here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/everest/team/archivetrans.html

I am rjd@pacbell.net

I may be wrong but I think that the paper you have

uncorvered surfaced about 6 months and was a discussion

paper thing put together by some guys who were trying

to make points. I think all that info is well and truly

in the market. Please tell me if Im wrong.

To Oris

Did I tell you I saw a UFO once - I saw it but I dont

believe it. I must be a looney tune

You got the wrong man too.

1. I am not affiliated to any political group.

Particularly the ANC. I like the UNpopular African

leaders. Like Jonas Savimbi. And Buthelezi. And

Chiluba.

2. I think Medicare sucks - People should be free and

take responsibility for themselves - not each other-

without a do- good government official with his own

agenda in the middle.

3. Blacks have got to WORK for their share of the pie.

It cant be handed to them. Affirmative action here is

already starting to fail. RSA is ONLY 75% Black - Of

that 75% maybe 1/3 do not like the ANC AT ALL. They are

in favour of Butelezi's Inkatha party. The Cape

is only about 35- 40% Black. The ANC does not control

the Cape. The ANC does not control Natal. The ANC

does not control the press.

4. People worry about WHITES when Mandela goes. What

crap. They should worry about the ANC when Mandela

goes. His ex buddies were Mugabe and jail bird Kuanda

( who the foreign press has decided is a victim' ) .

Mugabe is experiencing a popular revolt and must be

wondering if he'll wind up like his hero, Carcescu.

The Blacks dont buy his attempts to lay blame for ZIM

disgusting failure on the few remaining Whites there.

Mandela's successor Mbeki is good at Xhosa politics,

but not much else. He has little stature IMHO.

5. Mandela has stature and can keep his zip closed.

So he's better than Clinton. But he's not smart and

is turning into a crotchety old fart that cant keep his

mouth shut and is making a habit of bad decisions.

6. Regarding your Ethyopians- Mandela tells people

what they want to hear = he's good at that. He told

them WHAT they wanted to hear. AND since you are

a Gephardt type- they told you what you wanted to

hear.

7. My forecast for RSA is growth - privatization-

decentralization - fragmentation - progressively

weaker central government.

8. I think I have not told you what you wanted to hear.

But then I'm not an Ethyopian - Sorry about that.

Barb -

Thanks for your concern. Cashiers checks and money orders are not treated as cash. The funds come from a bank, the record is already made. One cannot get the money into the bank to get the cashiers check or money order without bumping up against the reporting requirements. Travelers checks are treated as cash, but again, the funds must go through a financial institution to obtain, and then comes under the watchful eye.

I don't do forms, I trade metals, so I will defer to you on that. In case you didn't catch it, that was hostility right there. You profess congeniality but your words seem hollow. Don't know what you are trying to prove.

Regards….RJ

If I am reading this right, what mines are left will have to be in concert with the government. Will some one eloborate on this please?

Ted -

I agree with you on most points of your Tue Jan 20 1998 00:58. I do draw some different conclusions though. Perhaps the huge sales have not been covered because the general feeling is gold will go lower. One thing is for sure, the big rally, when it comes, will start with a vicious round of short covering. It is true that the gold industry seems to be the only industry in the world that shoots itself in the foot with this type of forward sales. Producers can still deliver the metal against the contract. Doesn't matter what the price of gold is then, the transaction was negotiated months or years ago. That this profitability is not reflected in current mining stock prices is another example of why mining stocks do not fill the place in a portfolio that metals do. Thanks for your response, it made me think.