Not a stock was going up,even with a plunge team hand.

The LGB's and Karlitas and Heppers and all,

Were cowering in angst,awaiting Puetz's next great call.

Down Nikkie,Down Hang Seng,Down Futsie,Down Dow,

Where will it end,this great X-Mas fall.

On your doorstep,in your backyard,in your face paperboys,

The Gold bull is snorting,WE all hear the noise.

On Gold!On Silver!On Donner!On Blitzen!

It's X-Mas On Wall Street,but somthings gone missin.

As the new day is dawning,with many in flight,

A Merry Christmas to the Goldbugs,

And to all a goodnight.

Not a stock was going up,even with a plunge team hand.

The LGB's and Karlitas and Heppers and all,

Were cowering in angst,awaiting Puetz's next great call.

Down Nikkie,Down Hang Seng,Down Futsie,Down Dow,

Where will it end,this great X-Mas fall.

On your doorstep,in your backyard,in your face paperboys,

The Gold bull is snorting,WE all hear the noise.

On Gold!On Silver!On Donner!On Blitzen!

It's X-Mas On Wall Street,but somthings gone missin.

As the new day is dawning,with many in flight,

A Merry Christmas to the Goldbugs,

And to all a goodnight.

Puetz is back!

It is imperative to a novice like myself that you and INTOLERANT 1, VRONSKY, ETC. and all the rest of you including LGB and KARLITO to keep posting. From the broad base of information brought forward we can prepare for what lies ahead. I don't know where else I can get all this information.

I have no wish to debate with a oatmeal eater - Im not going to get

anything out of it - SO UP YOUR KILTS

First let me say this - Get St****d

Now thats out of the way - Mandela did say something like that as

part of his five hour speech to the ANC assenbly. He has also said

at other times things like there is a third force ready to take over the country. I dont know why he says crap like this. I assume he has

some reason.

ALL Black Africans dread armed South African whites and colored - particularly mercenaries - because of the horrific kill ratios they have

tenden to inflict on their opposition in the past. Maybe Mandela wants to keep Blacks alert. Maybe he really believes it. I dont know. Its not important.

In that long and apparently boring speech, he also blasted the unions

the communist party, and in particular the press. The whtes caught

some flack too. Do you really think the whites have such a plan

do you how would it work If there is a white plan to do something,

Ill even tell you what it might be. It would be for the Western Cape to

secceed from South Africa and become independent. Similarly the zulus

might lead a secession of most of Natal. Thats possible - but before

you go all run around like this is YOUR information from YOUR

SoURCES - forget it such a thing wouldnt happen for a long time.

Im sure you dont know this, but African Blacks are in the minority in the western and the northern Cape. These areas were never the traditional home of bantu language speakers.

I never said he didnt say that about whites - it just isnt very important -

mandela is getting old and crotchety - He is on his way to becoming

an irritable old fart. So am I. So you got about one thing close

to right out of about five things - you have proved you can almost

read a newspaper. So what I dont really want to talk to you any

more because I dont like you. Please dont address anything else

to me - its not worth my effort to waste time on such a know all

pompous self important ass. So do us both a favor and with all due

respect P*** OFF

Ah tell a lie. Zadeek'SA today or whatever - he is reading from

the local weekly local collaboration with the English GUARDIAN --!!!!!

The guardian - dear dumbo is the voice of the English Labour

party - It is a left wing rag old beano - I wouldnt even let anybody

know Id read an issue. For shame --- the Guardian YUK -

read business day - Its lots more even handed

I confess that maybe once a year or so I buy one to take home to read in the john just to see whats happening with the peasants.

Why dont you quote from the morning star or pravda maybe?

Now I understand you poor thing - the Guardian Hates South Africa

particularly White South Africans and always has. No wonder you're

so screwed up - you've been reading the Guardian.

If anybody wants a resposible site for info on

RSA try the business day site - http://www.bday.co.za:80/

The site that poor slashdick uses is called

SA today or something like that - In 9 years here

ive never seen this paper on any news stand.

These sites are only current through friday - the info

I provided today was from todays sunday papers. I only

did so because the abovementioned person had made

some really dumb and misleading predictions that I felt

needed correcting.

They were in regard to winnie's power in RSA and

later to the importance of pw botha's refusal to attend

the TRC. I was right in correcting him - I dont care

what he does with his dough. But i dont like to see

people clutch at and quote half truths to try to prove

their point or advance their agendas ( whatever they may

be ) .

See the above - Mr sassleak - I dont get my info

on RSA from URLs you knothead I live here. I just read

the paper. Its a lot easier. Now take your big mouth

and P*** OFF

When Ted leaves Canada....Finally.

When JohnD doesn't give it to somebody and I end up peeing my pants...

When the Great Cherokee runs out of Arrows...and tobacky...er...yum, yum.

When JFT...uh...JTF...runs out of sound reasoning and good posts.

When Auratorreallyunderstandshisnativelanguageandmovestomontana...;-^ )

When KIWI finally buys the Yankee-Toilet-Paper.....ugh.

When the real Cat returns.......!?...ohno...

When Silver DOESNT retrace ( drop ) after a rally......doh!

When Donald does not sniff out the story ( no offense 6pak and no mercy ) ...

When tolerant1 doesn't have a chubby for Karlito...

the list goes on....but I gotta go get on a plane and fly out to meet with Billc and then buzz over to the Ukraines to moniter a new gold mine and then holiday for a few weeks in France with Aurator and NickC ( wink ) and then pick up a pulitzer I have waiting for me and then swing down to RSA for a little coffee with me freind before concording home to my third house in geneva to deliver a key-note speech to a bunch of CB prezzys........oh yeah.....almost forgot...........

When gold gets off it dead-ass......go baby go!! ..er...c'mon girl! Git Up! ....uh........ok...go back to sleep.......... ( arrows flying ) .......... ( wimmin and chillin being protected ) ................c'mon little boy........be a MAN!.....honk, honk.......gittoutta my way!!!! i'm trying to make money here...!?

away...to the dark-padded room

Éßcrazylikeafox

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Thank you - What you say is true. My motives in spending the time

that I do at this site reporting on SA has NOTHING to do with

self interest - It doesnt affect me at all if any of you buy Rsa

stocks or not. Or if you think SA will crash and burn tomorrow morning.

I have a house in South Africa and I have a house in Europe. I like

it here because the weather is good and people speak english - The

infrastructure is Much better than Europe. I avoid townships because

im not stupid. Ive never been robbed here or felt threatened in any

way. If I want to leave I can do so at any time. South Africa has

problems - the biggest being the education system. But it seems to be solving them in its own way.

Im not particularly patriotic about rsa - and my investment would

be spead between here and Australia - with some puts on the s&p.

But Ive made a lot of money over the past 20 years playing the

South African Mines. Also I have a VERY low tolerance for Bullshit

and conventional wisdom - hence my reaction to Tsadeak's painfully

uninformed and adolescent attacks of hysteria. Along with Haggis's

know all attitude based on one year in the woop woop of the free state.

Frankly, If this pompous and annoying crapola sniping continues

much longer - Ill shut down and lurk from time to time and you can

get your information from these two oatmeal eaters.

I can use the time in better ways than trying to educate some guy

whose mouth is out of all proportion to his brain. who needs the grief?

Nonetheless, Brave Oris - the Invitation still stands. And I respectfully await your advice on the vodka.

The source of my information was simply the English

language Sunday Morning papers - the Sunday Times and

the Sunday Argus.

That pathetic site where you get your info is a

sensationalist style joke. Who are you anyway

Whats you point ? What are you trying to prove ?

That you're SMART Well you can forget that one as

far as Im concerned.

Are you implying that what I said was wrong and what

you said was right - Shall I dig up your dopey

predictions and read them back to you ? Who cares.

Your Henry Kissinger style forecasts were clownsville

You called a revolution over PW Botha and Winnie for

Deputy Prime Minister. MY gardener who is not analytically

inclined knew a lot better than that. I tried nicely at

first to correct you - but man you just keep right on

talking crap. You are a pompous and silly putzt. If you

want to read about SA, I think Business day has a

responsible site. However, its a fairly sophisticated

paper, I doubt if you could comprehend it. P*** OFF.

away...to the 'A' team

Éßteamshortgold

ted - you got a rocket landing......kaboom...go patrick....ugh...

One thing I do know, and that is there are a lot of BIG houses being built around the Mass and New Hampshire area. There is lots of money around. Call it cash, credit, or whatever, but the fact remains houses are being built and many BMW, Volvos, and Saabs are on the road.

Try this page. My posting skills are lacking, so I can't bring it over. But I just got through looking at a picture of SWC's sinusoidal pattern you wer talking about.

My reasons for owning a position in this stock ( although the size of said position varies quit a bit over time ) , is that I can't stand he thought of this stock running away without owning some of it ( coulda, woulda, shoulda syndrome. Not necessarily the best investment or trading strategy. ) The other reasons are the number of places that the PGMs are produced in. They are few and subject to more vagaries than the enviromental movement in the U.S. At the risk of upsetting John Disney, look at the other major producers. You have Russia and South Africa. The real unknown is Russia. It wouldn't take much to upset this apple cart in either direction. In a nutshell, this is not investing, it's a gamble. Maybe if find a chart of SWC I'll post it…….

You're a nice guy Oris. Mi casa es su casa. Come down here any time.

What kind of vodka is the best commercially available brand. I havnt

drunk any vodka for years you know.

for Panda - I believe the Russian card in Palladium. They are bigger

palladium producers than RSA but much smaller Platinum producers. I have

heard that their platinum stockpile is pretty well depleted but they

still have palladium. To make Japanese happy, drop the price of crude oil, and try to get them drunk, not necessarily in any order.

Russians are shifty guys though and oris says they have a lot of different sets of books. You know like tolstoy, dostoyevski, turganev, pushkin, checkov, sholakov.

They may some PGM hidden in these books.

I may buy back in at some point, but I must say I was quite discouraged by the lack of response of SWC to the great gains in PA and PL. Seems like there are better multiples available in gold stocks ( assuming of course that gold goes up! ) .

Some more info on tan range. In addition to swazi project, They have a three year licence fir the hagere Mariam deposit in Ethiopia. Their

main project is at Itetemia in the Lake Victoria goldfields of Tanzania.

Also, what about the Russian side of the platinum/palladium eqaution? If the Russians are playing the same game they did this time last year... Wouldn't we see a really large deficit suddenly develop in the platinum/palladium supply? Regardless of whom produces how much, a sudden deficit can't be made up in a moments notice. If the supply/demand equation is in precise balance, than a suden supply disruption of a few hundred thousand ounces would send the PGM market in to orbit.

In one of John Wayne's movies, there is a line uttered that I think is appropo here. Your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, the boy gets it!

The problem is solved - the new unit of World currency will be controlled by the UN and will be called the Unibuck - you know like

unicef duh. If think if we did that, gold might actually go up a little

( in unibucks that is ) . Ten unibucks equals One camdessus and one hudred

equals a U thant. Hows that for a stupid idea

Now I see - you Scots live all your lives in the dingy wet cold smokey

upper regions of the British Isles complete with smells of urine in old drains - dreaming of a colonial past in sunny climes with servants and real food instead of bloody oatmeal.

You think of South Africa - first they assassinate your weedy asses at rugby, then they go home to be waited on by Blacks - You want oh how you want those Blacks to rise UP and kill them oh my. You want to get EVEN, plus the AFRIKAANERS dont even speak english - yes you dream of revolution - ENVY is a Deadly sin, my friend - you might not go to heaven with an attitude like that.

In your Malicious dreams -

'Aye oboyoboy

( the growth,employment and redistribution Strategy )

key points were.

1. the public service would be reduced to free

funds for job creating construction projects.

2. small business would be boosted by state aid via

start up financing.

3. foreign investment would be encouraged.

4. export oriented businesses would be encouraged.

5. joint ventures between government and the private

sector would be encouraged.

This speech somehow doesnt sound very threatening to

me. Does it to you

the bobbie burns greek chorus of Haggis amidst slurps

of outmeal covered Ayes - that the TRC legal action

against the big crokodile PW Botha would lead to

revolution in SA. This prediction was even dumber than

the first prediction that winnie could gain power in

SA. Tsuduck is simply reading half assed press releases

on rsa - picking out the most lurid of the lot - then

playing it back as if he were henry kissinger. But he

is good in a way for comedy content. He IS funny

although Im sure he doesnt mean to be.

The Sunday Times reports that the Trc may have shot

itself in the foot by issuing a blanket amnesty to 37

of its members according to professor Welsh, a

political science professor at Cape Town University.

The TRC also extended the blanket amnesty to Bishop's

tutu's son trevor - who was wanted by the police for

threatening to blow up a domestic airliner a few years

ago. He was simply hauled off to the slammer, but then

he jumped bail. Recently he was caught by a reporter

the police tried hard NOT to find him ) and then pardoned

y his sainted father - desmond tutu.

The TRC has now been advised that this amnesty could

be challnged in court and 37 of its members would be

liable for criminal charges. This would mean a lot of

the government would be running the country from the

slammer. The Democratic party is pressing for a court

challenge.

PW Botha has stated that he had been assured by the TRC

( TuTu ) that he would not have to appear if he answered

certain questions in writing which he did several months

back. Tutu says that he did not have authority to make

such a deal ( although he could let his son off fast hey )

but the word on the street is that The old crokodile

Taped the meeting secretly and is setting ups things

to humiliate the commision - which is regarded by black

brown and white alike as a circus to enable a big

payoff and conitining celebrity status for TUTU.

This is a big joke no a small joke - the idea of a

revolution coming out of this is simply brain dead

stuff. SA has a lot of crime up north but its not

unstable - its more like Faulty Towers with real

crime and bullets.

The political fortunes of winnie mandela waned furthur

when the clearest test of her popularity produced

mediocre result.

Earlier in the week she withdrew from the race for

deputy vice president after seeing her support was thin

on the ground ( she got less than 5 % of the delegates

on the basis of a show of hands - 25 % was required to be considered as a

candidate )

Then in a secret ballot for 60 members of the ANC

executive, she came 15th from the top.

Should anyone be interested here they are in order.

Ramaphosa - Black - venda

Asmal - muslim

Jordan - Black

Maharaj - Indian

Naidoo - Indian

Mbowani - Black - Xhosa

Manuel - colored

Omar - Muslim

Moosa - muslim

Kasrils - White

Mufamadi - Black -

Zuma - Black - Zulu

Hanekom - White

Radebe - Black

Winnie Mandela - Black - sotho

If anyone recalls, I stated ( in response to an absurd

prediction by a Mr Tsadeak that winnie would gain in power

and possibly become deputy prime minister ) - that there

was no chance of this at all. This was shortly after

having pointed out to that same Mr Tzsadeak that SA was the

world's largest gold producer not the US and by a very

big margin. In a similar pole in 1994, wiinie ranked

5th. Now she ranks 15th. Winnie's waning popularity is

highest in the malicious minds of foreign journalists -

and some of their more hysterical readers. I am sure Mr

tzseakeed will try to wiggle out of the responsiblity

of having made such an assinine prediction, but Im

not going to make it easy for him. Until that is until

he starts doing his homework and gets his facts right.

Also please note that a bit less than half of the

ANC executive are Black!

for Nick -

Before you decide that gold has more to fall -

take a look at it in dmarks,swiss,and stirling - a fierce decline

in a narrow channel over the last couple of months - These channels

are too steep to be sustainable much longer and gold seems to testing

the top of the down trend channel now.

If you look at gold in terms of oz of silver, the au/ag ratio has

fallen from a peak of about 76 to around 47 ( I forget the precise numbers )

but the ratio of the peak to the new low is almost exactly a fibo -

0.618 or 1.618.

I had thought that gold would fall a lot more, and it still may. But I

tend to believe that we may now have an intermediate rally.

Just some things to think about before you jump.

By the way, what do you think of Ramsgate resources?

for Oris - Hey I appreciate the thanks - but what did I do good ?

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Mining Journal Ltd - 60 Worship Street,London,EC2A 2HD - phone

44 171 216 6060 - web site http://www. mining-journal.com/mj

email goldservice@mining-journal.com

ONLY just relized they had a web site - Ill try it myself.

subscription costs 225 quid a year or 400 $

I really like the way we are becoming more aggressive

and nasty on this site. And the dynamics are marvellous.

We're gravitating into groups - like TEAMS.

Lets choose up sides - I wanna call the team Im on

the Golden Gods - I suggest the opposition be called

the Pompous Toads -

Okay Karlito - you pick for the TOADS - take cmax

I cant help feeling you dont like Camdessus either.

Fatha John Disney - Founder of Banker's Town

Have some oatmeal.

For Panda - you mentioned that jewellery was not so important vis-a-vis

Platinum It makes up about 40 % of demand - a shade more than

auto catalyst. Also Japan takes almost 40 % of world platinum. Thus, it

is sensitive to problems in Japan in a big way.

For Tolerant1 - I cant help but get the feeling that you dont like

Karlito much. Am I wrong ?