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Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 21:00
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
Don't forget to tell us what is your opinion today of charting and technical analysis.

Has it changed?

Thanks.

Date: Wed Mar 04 1998 20:35
farfel ( @OLDMAN...IN AN EXISTENTIAL WORLD... ) ID#339265:
...like the one we live in, there need not be any rules or scientific formulae in which things begin or end. Charts are meaningless when random chaos appears.

So load up on your Metamucil.

It's here.


F*, the Unpronounceable.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 21:00
Jujube__A (Liberty) ID#252286:

Perhaps a similar thread on SI?

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 20:38
Jujube__A (Liberty) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

This is a nice night for a stroll.

Did you know that Vronsky has set up a discussion forum over at golden eagle? One could take a stroll and check out the local happenings, meet a few folks, perhaps even some gentle warnings about FarPHoungD so that the innocents don't get hoodwinked. Maybe add in an example or two of its more moderate boneheaded mistakes. I always like to hold back the good stuff as a kind of neutron bomb to sterilize the area after the corpse has been dragged away. FarPHoungD has given us much fissionable material to make up those bombs in the last 48 hours.

Played FarPHoungD like a harp.

It knew it too. It just couldn’t help itself

I may take that stroll this fine summer evening

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 20:21
Jujube__A (Liberty) ID#252286:

A tip of the hat to a gentleman.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 20:18
Jujube__A (People may wonder) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

How RJ can post on K1 at the exact same minute that Jujube posts on K2? And Realistic can post on K2 at the exact same minute Jujube posts on K2? Yet they are the same. Truly an unholy trio if ever there was one to perform such feats. Some even think LGB is me, but LGB and me know better. This is a mysterious thing and wrinkles the brow with puzzlement. Maybe I’m RJ’s smarter brother. Hmmmmm….. Naaaahh….. too good looking.

Hey there FarPHoungD
If you open your eyes you’ll see
All the PGMs
Are now up to your chin
And I’m going hee hee hee

( I ought to be shot for that limerick )

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 20:16
Liberty (@ Jujube....re PH in LA's wonderful construct to Jujube) ID#316404:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
@ Jujube...Since I know you're not wasting your breath casting Pearls before swine any longer these daysI wanted to comment point by point on everything in PH's extremely lengthy tome to you...which he THINKS makes all kinds of points and logical refutations.

Thus I'll take all the points in his last post that have ANY semblance of logic, deductive reasoning, or validity and respond....

OK, without further comment Ph's best points and my response......

Blah, blah, blah.... ( excrement deleted ) ...blah blah blah.... ( excrement deleted ) ...blah, blah, blah......

Come to think of it Jujube, this is INDEED an exercise in futility! Perhaps you're right after all. A lump of SH** should be rightly pointed out to people in advance as often as need be....so they don't step in it...but the flies and maggots that attach themselves to the lump of SH**, don't even deserve comment beyond that.

I think I'll go along with you on this one and not bother pointing out the flies or maggts.

*L


Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 20:07
Realistic (@farfel ) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Please answer the question below.

Thanks.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 17:40
Realistic ( @farfel *** URGENT *** ) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
The bond market now close to a full 12 points ( !!! ) higher compared to March 3rd!

It's been an amazing bull market and just by following the charts it made it easy to manage some money in this market. And it's a good day to take some profits today.

Farfel, how much more money do you think your friends would have today to invest in Gold and Silver ( which are at LOWER prices than back around March 3rd ) if you wouldn't have kneeled down to beg them not to invest in the bond market?

Please let us know when you get a chance.

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term..

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 19:51
PH in LA (Shame, Degradation and Capitulation in the Jihad.) ID#225408:
Copyright © 1998 PH in LA/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Well, well, well! So RJ/Jujube/Realistic is done talking to PH in LA for all time! Because he ( PH ) just has nothing to say that interests him in the slightest. So let's get this straight. When someone has nothing to say to RJ, he stops talking to that person.

Rather looks like an example of a totally self-centered concept of communication, it does!

But it certainly doesn't mean that I have nothing more to say to him. On the contrary.

It's a cheap, intellectually light-weight bully of a jihad warrior that he turns out to be, after all. As long as he can pick and choose his targets among what he considers liers and/or morally bankrupt, ignorant madmen he promises a fight to the death. A couple of broadsides from what he concedes is a talented communicator and he folds up. No fight left in him. Just threatens to beat up harder on his victim in retaliation for any further slaps and shots from me. Very brave.

Of course, what else would we expect from a former military man who has to fall back on his basic training by saying You have no honesty and therefor you have no integrity. After all, he himself, with all his various identities is a paragon of honesty and integrity, isn't he? Incidentally, just how does an honest ex-military man explain his multiplicity of identities, anyhow? And just what lies does he accuse me of telling? They are nowhere to be found in any of his cut and paste masterpieces.

But then, he also accuses me of whining and twisting his words. It seems like just the other day that he was offering himself as a shining example of intellectual integrity. He stood by every word he had ever written, he did, back then. And defied me to paste away. Now he is reduced to whimpering that I just twist ( his ) words into pretzels and become a liar in the process. If that isn't whining, just what is it?

And then, when I had the temerity to rip away his carefully constructed mask of anonimnity, exposing his Realistic as just another phony personality, what was his reaction? In a burst of creativity, he invents his FarPHoungD thing, charging that four of his critics are actually a construct of his one, single enemy. Well, what else should we expect? After all, it's just exactly what they accuse him of doing. That's creativity, isn't it? Rather convenient, too, it is! No need to face four critics in four different fights. No need to face anyone other than his own invention. That shouldn't offer any problem, should it? In a Jihad, anything is fair, because the ends justify the means, right? Also, that way there is no explanation needed for the fact that four separate posters seem to take exception to his behavior. They are all the same person! Yes, everyone does still like him, really!...except for that miserable FarPHoungD thing, which is just an invention anyway! Very convenient. Very brave.

Of course, creativity is exactly what RJ/Jujube/Realistic does best. Farfel used to charge him with waging a propaganda war against gold. Called him a whore, he did! That was stupid then, and some of us commented on it at the time. So what could be more creative than doing the same thing right back to the FarPHoungD thing, now? Accuse it of furthering its own private agenda. Just what agenda, anyway? Farfel used to say that he was anti-gold. Now accuse Farfel of waging a war against the PGMs. Farfel used to accuse him of distorting the facts, etc. Accuse him of the same thing, now. That's very creative! Farfel was repetitive. Well, that can work, too. Smother the forum with the same posts over and over. Keep asking the same pointless questions about automobiles, etc. All that's creative, isn't it? Well, isn't it?

And speaking of bravery, it did kind of scare him, it did, the remark that his intentional amalgamation of Farfel and Steve Puetz's identities smacked of libel and slander. After all, Steve Puetz is well-known to all of us. Has his own newsletter, I hear. It would seem unlikely that he would appreciate being intentionally confused with Farfel in public by a recognized broker at Monex. Sent him scurrying to his lawyers, that remark did. They assured him that he had no problem, since he doesn't even know who Farfel is. Almost looks like he forgot to mention to them that he does know perfectly well who Steve Puetz is. Oh well, that wouldn't really matter. After all, that's Jihad! Just have to talk to those lawyers again. They'll know what to do. Because the brave always help each other out. That's how they get so brave.

And what would a Jihad be without threats. Threats can be the epitome of bravery...I think, sometimes, maybe... Well it always worked in the interrogation room, didn't it? So RJ/Jujube/Realistic comes up with, You bring this crap to K1 and I will deal with it in another entirely creative way that is bound to get murmurs of amazement and approval from the collected masses there. Obviously, this kind of scares him, too, though: Just the thought that any of this might just possibly end up over at K-1. Wouldn't do! Might just rock that honesty/integrity thing to its core.

What core?

Why, the creative artist, who tells it like it is myth/core that has been so long in developement. He gets paid for writing, so one could say this is an extension of his job, he proudly tells us and asks, What¹s in it for you?

Well, I'll just let him in on something. I've been an artist all my life. Get paid for it, too. I learned long ago what distinguishes one artist from another. It is not the technique. Nope, not the phrasing, the correct grammar, the intonation, the inspired wording, the beauty of tone, the technique. None of the above. It's the content! It's what you say...not how you say it. How you say it is taken for granted. Has to be there before you get to artist level. Just the given basic. After that, it's all content. With RJ/Jujube/Realistic,that's the part that still needs work.

This Farfel Jihad has no content. Rj/Jujube/Realistic knows this in his heart. It was a mismatch from the beginning and it was flogged to death long ago. And with me, he has no real fight either. I have said so many times. He's said so, too, on occasion. It's not personal. I don't even know him...he doesn't know me. It's ideas! He knows it is. He knows that my anger is over something else entirely - and he knows what it is, and he had nothing to do with it and he bravely proclaims it so. But he obviously prefers not to drag it out into the light, like he claims to want to do to Farfel. He is right, though! It is over something else. And at the same time, it's also all about intellectual integrity. I have never pretended to particularly admire most of what Farfel repeated over and over. I said so then. I say so now. I am not defending Farfel! Never have been, except to point out that he is a human being, too, like the rest of us. I am not his ally, much less part of his personality. Don't have much to do with TYoung or HenryD, either. But RJ/Jujube/Realistic wants to let his something else just go away. It doesn't, any more than Farfel's past transgressions will just go away.

In the real world, it might be resolvable over a beer ( probably with TYoung, the beer expert present ) by hashing it out, both sides giving their account with explanations, etc. until it disappears. Because there is not much real disagreement there, either. Besides, it actually happened a rather long time ago. But this technique only works if both parties want to, and are willing to be honest with each other. RJ/Jujube/Realistic is reluctant to do that in public.

OK.

Like Farfel, he lives with the consequences of his actions.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 19:46
farfel (@REALISTIC & LGBUGal...RE: YOUR STOCKS AND BONDS CHEERS....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Cheerlead all you want, guys. Tell me just one more time how wonderful everything out there really is! Sis Boom Bah, rah, rah, rah!

The mass equities investor psychology has changed and it is growing increasingly negative with each passing day. New populist perceptions are taking hold as our world undergoes swift, radical change. It is a global snowball and there appears to be no immediate known fix. Hopefully, it will ultimately resolve itself in a better more equitable world.

Eventually, the negative psychology will spillover to bonds ( interesting to hear the bonds trader interviewed on CNBC today who described the bonds market as a bubble with people throwing their money at without proper and due consideration. I almost thought I would choke in disbelief...just as I almost choked when CNBC talked up the value of gold today. Felt like I was in The Twilight Zone! ) .

Gee, I wonder where the Big Boys are moving their money now? Duh

Anyway, I wish you guys the best of luck.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 17:47
Realistic (@LGB) ID#410194:
Very well said sir.

Diversification and open-mindedness.

Objectivity and respect of reality.

These will always keep us ahead of the majority in the long haul.

Always!

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 17:42
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
Speaking of charting ( see post below ) , did you change your mind at all on technical analysis or do you still think the same of it as before.

Please let us know.

Thanks.

Date: Fri Mar 06 1998 19:14
farfel ( @SPOCK...IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, APH IS... ) ID#339265:
...a technical chartist...Absolutely Phull of Hooey.

F*, the Unpronounceable.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 17:40
Realistic (@farfel *** URGENT ***) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
The bond market now close to a full 12 points ( !!! ) higher compared to March 3rd!

It's been an amazing bull market and just by following the charts it made it easy to manage some money in this market. And it's a good day to take some profits today.

Farfel, how much more money do you think your friends would have today to invest in Gold and Silver ( which are at LOWER prices than back around March 3rd ) if you wouldn't have kneeled down to beg them not to invest in the bond market?

Please let us know when you get a chance.

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term..

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 16:48
LGB (@ Realistic) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
New all time highs in the band market indeed...maybe the REAL market analysts and experts know something after all when they come up with the Equit / Bond ratios they do eh?

Diversification. Watching market trends carefully....keeping emotionalism and GURU following totally out of one's investment strategy ( especially when the GURU's are self appointed Know nothings who make up the facts as they go along....I htink we know what type of self appointed Buffoon's I refer to...and their very small band of pathetic followers....! )

Diversification is saving my Ass today.....as it has for 2 decades now. otherwise I'd be jumping out a window! Those who put all their eggs in precious metals, stocks, dollars, or bonds..... are all going to lose most of their net worth somewhere along the line.

Can you imagine where folks are who've been listening to the Puetz's ( And Wanna be Puetz's like *Fwipe ) for the last few years! Those poor souls, having been in primarily the worst investment possible the past 20 years, not to mention if they were buying S&P Puts during all the UP moves... will having NOTHING left to invest by now...and when the Gold & silver train leave the station, they'll be left behind.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 12:17
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 09:36
Realistic ( @farfel ) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
New all-tine highs again in the bond market as I write this, that's 11 full points ( !!! ) above where it was around March 2nd when you went down on your knees to beg your friends not to invest in it.

Can you tell us what are their reactions?

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term..

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 11:33
farfel (@RJujube...you see, the problem with PLAT is this....) ID#17077:
...you can't use it to buy food in the stores.

You can't pay your rent with plat.

You can't buy your mother a nice pair of shoes with plat.

Nobody accepts it.

You see, you have to sell and convert it into US DOLLARS first.

Then, what you do RJujube, is you take those precious US dollars and you buy goods and services with them.

But, Plat...nobody I know accepts the stuff. NOBODY!

Such is life.

Deedydo.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 11:29
farfel (@RJujube...PLATINUM been very good to me....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...how can you imply that I am anti-plat?

I only wish plat would soar to the heavens. Nothing would make me happier.

But I just don't think it can.

Not in today's faltering global economy.

No, deedyno.

How can you imagine me to be anti-plat? Remember, my wife...and the plat
diamond bracelet?

Now, I would never argue against buying plat as a long-term buy and hold strategy.

But trading it? I don't know about that, RJujubeedeedy.

Unless of course, you wish to short it. Shorting it at these prices might make sense, I suppose.

But, long-term buy and hold....nothing wrong with that.

Thanks.

F*


Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 11:21
farfel (@RJujubeedeedy...I don't understand...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
..I like platinum.

I'm a buyer of platinum ( remember: the Valentine's Day bracelet ) At these price levels, I may even buy her another Plat present.

Indeedy do!

If platinum goes through the roof ( or at least to the price levels you foresee ) , my wife and I can buy us a nice summer cottage from selling her plat jewelry.. Why would I ever say anything negative about Plat?

I just don't think Plat has much long-term upside if aggregate global industrial demand plummets ( which it is doing ) .

I think it will see 325 before it sees 375.

That's all.

You're fairly smart.

You understand.

Thanks, buddy.

F*






Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 10:52
LGB (@ Jujube) ID#269409:
Re *FwipePhscamscummaggotsludgescatscabbootscrapings


Normally I would have a few points to add...but you've done way to excellent a job here, there's nothing else I can say......but right on dude!

*L

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 09:36
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
New all-tine highs again in the bond market as I write this, that's 11 full points ( !!! ) above where it was around March 2nd when you went down on your knees to beg your friends not to invest in it.

Can you tell us what are their reactions?

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term..

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 09:10
Jujube__A (Congratulations FarPHoungD) ID#252286:

You alone succeeded in causing the price of PGMs to go up. Your misinformation campaign is so transparent, people have flocked to the magic metals like never before in history. Not the effect you were looking for, is it?

In you honor, we will call this the The Great FarPHoungD PGM Rally

Bravo

And

Thanks

J*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 08:31
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Don't forget to let us know why you called it a bull trap if as you said last night, a bull trap is the opposite of a bear trap. ( And was it a trap at all anyway? )

Realistic ( @farfel ) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
If a bull trap is the opposite of a bear trap, then why did you call the following a bull trap? Didn't the market shot upwards for many weeks to come?

It wasn't a trap then? Why did you say it was?

Thanks.

Date: Fri Mar 06 1998 18:08
farfel ( TODAY'S BULL TRAP RALLY... ( OLDMAN, LGB, AND JTF TRAPPED? ) ) ID#339265:
All the citizens that bought in October bought back in today...

IBM insiders dumped stock in last half hour of trade.

Remember, IBM saved the market in the last October debacle...maybe not this time.

F*, the Unpronounceable.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 06:46
Bill2j (@Farfel, Jujube, etc. Market Comments) ID#259400:
Copyright © 1998 Bill2j/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
The stock market topped out last April. Not the Dow but the stock market as represented by the Russell 2000 and Value Line. The Dow is the modern day version of the Nifty 50 of the 60's and 70's. Let's call it the Nifty 30. The stock market topped out and started it's decline last April. The Nifty 30 disguised that fact because that is what is reported on CNBC. That decline was in anticipation of the Starr report going to congress and the problems that would cause the President. In other words the news of today was discounted 6 months ago. Judging by the size of the decline the stock market must be anticipating many troubles for the man from Arkansas. The current correction is predicting the future six months down the road. Judging from the size of it it is predicting real big trouble for in the spring. If my gut is correct the rest of this month will be filled with the sound of bleeding bulls screaming as the knife is drawn slowly across his vital parts. By the end of the month the bull will flopping around like a chicken with it's head cut off and singing higher than a 300 lb opera diva. I'm calling for 800 on the SnP 500 and 6000-6200 on the Nifty 30. Their will be a wailing and lamentation across the land not heard since the Pharoah ordered bricks to be made without straw in a misguided cost cutting measure. The gloom and doom will be so thick you will need a Ginzu knife to cut it. At that point in time my friends you will see a once in a lifetime miracle. You will witness, right here in the good old US of A, the Mother Of All Rallys. The
degutted and denutted Bull will rise up out of the blood and guts in the streets and start the wildest ride ever seen in modern times. I'm talking a 40% run up by the time the great Turkey day arrives. I figure 320 points UP on the SnP and 2400 points UP on the Nifty 30. This will be the rally that will be written about in the text books for 100 years into the future. We are living in interesting times indeed. Gold will fall to unheard of lows during this raging bull's run. All over America the
emergency rooms will be filled to overflowing with goldbugs getting their hearts jump started. The consumption of Bombay Sapphire Gin and Tequila will skyrocket during this time frame. The damage to countless livers will be beyond calculation. At this point the Great Raging Bull will die. Literally die. One minute he will be running and raging and the next he will just fall over dead. The stock market will crash starting somewhere around Turkey day and by the time Santa pays his visit we will be testing the old lows. Gold will rise up and start it's long, slow, years long
march up to $1000 an oz. This will be the most exciting four months in the entire history of American investing. Fortunes will be made. Fortunes will be lost. And for the wise goldbug the seeds of future fortunes will be planted by the end of October. I say the gold misery will be all over by the end of October. The misery for stocks and bonds is just beginning and will last for years.
Crazy Bill

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:53
Jujube__A (FarPHoungD = Evil) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

The FarPHoungD has no answers. This is why it uses so many different names. It is a known fact that nobody on earth likes F*Puetz, the other names it uses is a smoke screen for the BS it piles on us here. It attacks, it prevaricates, it avoids, it obfuscates, and it defends himself under a multiple of different names. This campaign to destroy this site by destroying its credibility is an affront to us all.

Since it does not know the answers to the most basic of question regarding its irresponsible and idiotic claims about the precious metals, to hide the fact that its proclamations are wholly invented out of thin air and have yet to have even one single fact put forward to back up its irresponsible claims. It doesn’t care who it hurts, or who may follow its idiotic reasoning, it is just afraid of being wrong.

Grow up FarPHoungD we are on to you. Your multitude of handles shows us clearly who you really are. I can accept the fact that there is at least one boneheaded idiot in the world who is dumber than dirt, but not four, not four this stupid. They can only be one thing: FarPHoungD.

It is evil. It does evil. It spreads evil. It hurts innocent people. It lies. It cares for nothing but itself. It will be dragged into the sun and exposed for the distorting lying lump it is.

Got answers, or more dodges?

Thanks

J*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:39
Jujube__A (What was the question?) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Doesn’t look like F*Puetz got the last one since he still has no answers.
I would never dream of re-posting something this many times unless it served a purpose. So far F*Puetz has posted his irrational take on PGMs a half dozen times, but still no answers to the most basic questions about the foundation of that post. Silly lines about sun and shade will not suffice. He will answer these questions, admit he does not know, or be faced with the same questions forever, and ever, and ever….. ( Jack Nicholson in The Shining again )

So again we ask:

He speaks of platinum and palladium
But nary a word on vanadium or radium
Still today, the questions linger
But F*Puetz gives all the finger
What he doesn’t know, could fill a stadium

( If you think limericks are easy, this one used all the rhymes for palladium in the entire English language! The vanadium was superfluous, but gotta’ go for them all……right? Thank you, Thank You…. Next post… I will find a rhyme for Orange )


F*Puetz wrote:

In order to get American auto sales going again, then one way of cutting the cost of a car would be recision of the laws that compel a catalytic converter from being part of it.

I asked the below questions regarding his post. He has dodged these questions and cried to Bart. If he cannot answer the most fundamental questions regarding his remarkable leap: that governments would do away with catalytic converter requirements, how are we to believe anything he says?

Do away with auto catalysts: How would this be done? If there are international treaties standing in the way of repealing these laws, this would be a good thing to know when considering whether this outrageous proposition holds water, would it not? If there are laws on the books preventing these other laws from being repealed, these would have to be changed also, would they not? So many questions are raised by F*Puetz’s PGM post. He can answer none of them. He just re-posts the same thing again and again as if, absent any facts at all, wishing would make it so.

This is the guy who complains that all sorts of folks are out to screw people over. Yet this worm, because he has an irrational hatred towards, and an obsession with RJ, has now started another misinformation campaign. Like Pegasus before, this cold hearted manipulator peppers this sight with lies and deliberate distortions to further his own agenda. We’ve seen his type before, Buy gold now, while he is placing new shorts. Probably took a couple of short contracts in platinum and is now trying to talk it down. Just like his heroin Hillary Clinton and her short pharmaceuticals when she was bashing the drug companies over costs. Now, I could be wrong, but I seem to remember F*Puetz stating CATEGORICALLY ( LOVE that world Fspot, THANKS! ) that he believes that Clinton is the finest president since Lincoln and that he has a thing for Hillary ( But don’t tell his beautiful wife! ) because she just really gets his motor going.

He might have gotten away with his deliberate misinformation campaign, were it not for the way he makes the most fundamental mistakes, and offers no facts to back up his assertion. Thank the Good Lord I am still allowed to exercise my free speech rights and expose this liar and cheat amidst all the smoke and noise and compelling tumult. This slug is nothing but a propagandist and, in the worst sick and twisted style of Joseph Goebbles, F*Puetz has mastered the art of the Big Lie.

So the questions still remain:

How much platinum or palladium goes into an automobile? What percentage reduction of the total car price will the cessation of use of platinum and palladium bring? What are the alternatives? What are your sources for this information? What would changing these laws entail? How must congress act to repeal these laws? At what point do you see these laws being changed?

I only ask these questions because you offered your definitive views on Plat and Palladium to someone here earlier. Since definitive is defined by being the defining nature of that which is being defined, your claim is that you yourself have defined this market. If we are to take your definitive definition, could you please offer some facts to lend support for your views on these metals? I am very eager to learn more. If you do not have the answers to these questions, could you please state publicly that you have trouble with the definition of definitive?

Thanks

J*

PS
You think catalytic converters would go before air bags, sunroofs, stereos, spare tires, or even leather interiors ( the only way to go ) ? I would love to learn how you came to this conclusion? Your leap to the abolition of platinum and palladium from the auto manufacturing process is a stunning feat indeed and seems to be emotionally made. RJ likes platinum. You are obsessed with RJ. You can’t stop talking about him. You now have embarked on another misinformation campaign to dissuade people from looking at platinum. You give bad information, with no facts to back it up, information that people may act on ( like Pegasus ) all because you hate RJ?. This is not responsible. Unless, of course, you do have the answers to these questions. Then I retract this entire post and will make you godfather of my beautiful daughter born by my beautiful wife.

Or will you dodge these like you dodge all the other questions when you are in over your head? If you don’t have the answers to these, please let me know, I have about 20 more brought up by the post you made. I am very interested to learn, as I keep saying.


Thanks Again

J*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:38
Jujube__A (Nope... No answers) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
How much of worldwide palladium production goes into the manufacture of computers? Are there other electronic devices which are smaller and use more palladium? Looking up palladium in the encyclopedia will not hide your gross stupidity. You sound like a kid in forth grade trying to fake a book report after having not read the book.

That’s it? I ask the most basic questions about the PGM market, and you come back with wife’s rings, computers, and COIN DEALERS? Perhaps you truly are as dumb as you appear, and can only sound intelligent on occasion, like the million monkey’s with the million typewriters, ultimately everything they produce is more valuable than your empty headed statements.

How about the question of savings to the auto industry? How about the laws and treaties involved in pollution control? How about your goooooooood buddy and personal mentor, the standing aloft log himself, Al Gore? Would he approve of your unilateral removal of the one singe technology responsible for reducing 80% of the pollutants that have been eliminated from our air in the last 15 years?


Rings and computers. You define the market this way.

Pray you don’t continue your ways at golden eagle. I hear a peep of this kind of garbage and I will verbally squash you like a bug in front of the world. Try me, and see what happens.

You can never, ever win this, though I would dearly love to see you try. I’m just getting warmed up, I’m not a bit tired, and I am a thick skulled fellow in any case, so have at it. We will enlist others to join the Jihad. Life will be not fun and the sunshine you lovingly speak of will not shine.

This is the road you have chosen.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:36
Jujube__A (Still no answers) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

The following question, posed by F*Puetz, is akin to the alchemists dream of turning lead into gold. Not only is he an airhead when it comes to these markets, he now wants to go back to the 9th century and create magic with Merlyn. To this end, he writes of PGMs:

What if tomorrow a new substitute is discovered that replaces the need for these metals?


Firstly, is he suggesting that we add to the table of elements? Has he discovered a new and exotic atom? He is a wonder, is he not? We will call this particle, the F*lump particle.

Some questions come to mind:

F*rot
Could you please give an overview of the catalytic properties of platinum and palladium, and then describe another substance that has these same or similar properties? What are the catalytic properties of PGMs? If these is a substitute, it would be nice to know what you want that substitute to do, would it not? Also, how much platinum or palladium goes into a car? What would the cost savings be if the laws were changed to do away with these catalytic converters? How may these laws be changed? Are there international treaties that would stand in the way of changing these laws? Could congress change these laws on their own? What he been the effect of the use of PGM catalysts on the quality of air of the last two decades?

Just a few questions - which you dodge like a bum dodges a bath - and you continue a deliberate misinformation campaign against some metals because you cannot answer the most basic questions of what you speak and are trying to cover your incredible ignorance with bombast and bluster. Since your theories are easily refuted by readily available facts, figures, and 2000 years of human history, each and every time you make one of your nonsense posts, you add weight to the great F*Puetz Lie that will follow you wherever you go.

Ask yourself what you have to gain by this. Then ask your self what you have to loose.

If you think about this question, you will see the win column holds a zero. What could you possibly gain from this? Bigger ego? It’s too big for this earth to begin with. Now ask yourself what you have to loose, as a band of maniacal hell bent for revenge hackers cyber-stalks you where ever you go and exposes you for the fraud you are. I know people that like that sort of thing and would follow you wherever you go in cyberspace just to publish your collected list of lamebrained boners. These people do this because they think it is fun to do that sort of thing. Not at all what I would do, but I know folks who would. Just like you know the mob and Al Gore. I am surprised though, a man or your stature with no claims to be aquatinted with the rat bastard child molesting women hating murdering lying piece of crap president we currently have?

Think again about THE question. If you answer in other than, I wish this to stop now, then you truly are a fool, and like your on the knees buddy Al Gore and his murdering boss, your ego is just too large to let you do anything but destroy yourself. I truly pity you, not just for who and what you are ( for I would not change places with that narrow rut mind for all the gold in the solar system ) but for the continued embarrassment you will suffer daily. The worst punishment of all would be to have to wake up as you everyday. If faced with that, I could not go on.

As children, we all had that experience when we reach for something hot and burned our fingers. We did not repeat that mistake too often before we decided not to touch those hot things.

Its called learning F*smear, try it……. It has worked so well for the rest of us.

You are burning yourself with this simple minded campaign against PGMs.

I am very pleased however, and wish you to keep it up. I can blast you for days, based on what you have written in the last 24 hours. We will make sure that your new audience at golden eagle is aware if your boneheaded calls, plethora of ridiculous mistakes, and generally all around know-nothing when it comes to these markets.

My ISP is offering me a free website. How about the anti-Fspot sight? I could post this URL to everybody. I could e-mail it to the hundreds of Kitco readers who have posted their e-mail addresses ( I collect them ) I could cover the world with your blather. I would not do this. But I know people who would for a bag of Fritos and a six-pack of beer.

You think I’m joking, keep it up. Since you are anonymous, and I have no idea who your really are, nothing would be considered slanderous or libelous as we would always stick to provable facts. Ask an attorney about this, I did. If you, however treated real people the same way, you could have a problem. If you denigrate a real person and the company they work for, both or either have the option of digging in those ever so deep pockets you must have to be such a major player and all How deep are those pockets? Even after the losses you took in gold the last two years, I suspect there may be something to be had in the bottom of those pockets. At the very least, the attorneys could relieve you of all that gold you bought when you didn’t care and bought more.

This is easier than fish in a barrel…. More like an arthritic insect under a microscope.

To finish, an except from Henry the Fifth by a better writer than me:

Bloody constraint; for if you hide the crown
Even in your hearts, there will he rake for it.
Therefore in fierce tempest is he coming,
In thunder and in earthquake, like a Jove,
That if requiring fail, he will compel;
And bids you, in the bowels of the Lord,
Deliver up the crown; and to take mercy
On the poor souls for whom this hungry war
Opens his vasty jaws; and on your head
Turning the widows’ tears, the orphans’ cries,
The dead men’s blood, the privy maidens’ groans,
For husbands, fathers, and betrothed lovers,
That shall be swallowed in this controversy.
This is his claim, his threat’ning, and my message;



I did not write that, Shakespeare did. It just seemed somehow appropriate.


Kisses and hugs

And

Thanks

J*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:31
Jujube__A (THIS EQUATION ADDS UP) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

F*spot = PH in LA = TYoung = HenryD = nitwits

They are one and the same. All of them manifestations of the same sick and twisted mind of the Great F*crap. The egos run thick in this fellow’s ( girl’s? ) veins and they seem to be on a deliberate attempt to disrupt this forum and prevent anybody from actually talking about the markets. They just want to scream and yell their petty whinings, bereft of facts, twist words into pretzels and becoming liars in the process.

Their propaganda will not work on better minds than theirs.

Jihad fighters unite! This unholy quad will be exposed for what it is. It no longer fools us. The FarPHoungD entity is on a deliberate misinformation cam[pain regarding gold, platinum, palladium, and silver. It does this to further its own private agenda. It is using this forum to spread lies and half truths. The FarPHoungD thing knows nothing of the markets. To hide this fact, it continues to attack good and decent posters on K1 from this damp and dark cellar. It lies and we see through its lies. Never will I stop prosecuting the hell out of those folks who look us in the eye and lie to us.

There is no forgiveness.

To the death

This is a Jihad

Thanks

J*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:12
Jujube__A (PS) ID#252286:

I am all posters everywhere. Never was a forum, just me.

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 02:10
Jujube__A (Okay..... Fine with me... you call the tune and I'll dance to it) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Hey F*Puetz, you asked:

What am I...a surrogate punching bag

No. You are the primary punching bag and my all time favorite.
Just letting you know where you stand in the scheme of things.

You will continue this, won’t you? It is an idiots choice. The equation adds up to zero if you stop, and less than zero should you continue. You think I am fooling about the web sight? You think I am fooling about the hackers? You think your ugly words will not follow and haunt you wherever you go? You think you are anonymous? Before long you’ll be beating that beautiful wife of yours as the pressure builds.

It is sad to see one self destruct, but when they richly deserve it, like our fine murdering president, one can only nod with grim satisfaction.

I’m nodding.

We will now take this to golden eagle, okay?

I’m having fun with this, how bout you?

PS to PH
I’m done talking to you for all time. Your choice of company is appalling and I judge you greatly on your defense of this worm. You are now a non entity. Look back and see how you twisted my words. You have no honesty and therefor you have no integrity. I do not associate with people of your cut. Your anger is over something else entirely - and I know what it is, and I had nothing to do with it. So peddle your trash elsewhere, and feel free to attack me with impunity, for I will not respond, other than to add the equal pressure to F*Puetz. Every time you slap at me, I will slap at him twice. You bring this crap to K1 and I will deal with it in another entirely creative way that is bound to get murmurs of amazement and approval from the collected masses there.

You are a shrill whining complainer with very bad judgment in people. I wish you all the happiness with this lamebrained ass. Any credibility you may have had, is dissolved in a roiling sea of farfel pus. Enjoy it, and post away. F*Puetz will feel the brunt.

It is sad, because you are a talented communicator. You just have nothing to say that interests me in the slightest. When RJ tried to engage you in conversations about the market, you just kept going back the F*bag of crap. I get paid for writing, so one could say this is an extension of my job. What’s in it for you? You will be remembered alongside farfel for all time. I can think of maybe 5 or 6 billion people on this planet I would want my name next to, none of them are the Windbag of Beverly Hills ( he lies about that also ) Too bad, just when I was beginning to like you.

Let me know when you want me to verbally slap around F*Puetz again, I got five posts already written, and am working on the one for golden eagle. This is not about justice, or fairness. This is righteous vengeance, and I will extract my virtual pound of F*Puetz flesh for every insult he ever hurled and me or my friends. This is the eleventh commandment. This is a Jihad.

Thanks

J*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 01:43
farfel (@TYOUNG...come back and visit sometime...) ID#17077:
...we need you back here to drink beer WITHOUT permission.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 01:40
farfel (@JAMES...actually, I would add one other concept....) ID#17077:
...to your shrewd questions...

The Japanese can certainly create problems in the global economic markets...but nothing compared to what China could do through a simple substantive devaluation of the Yuan.

China has the ultimate H-Bomb in terms of creating global economic havoc.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 01:33
farfel (@He May Not Be an Expert on Stagflation...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...but this poster poses some pretty good questions?

Thanks.

F*

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Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 18:08
James ( Voyeur Professor@There are some really strange things happening in all the ) ID#252150:
Copyright © 1998 James/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
mkts, but especially in the currency mkts. The biggest debtor Nation is trying to tell the biggest creditor Nation
how to run their financial mkts. By listening to & obeying orders from RR & AG the Japanese have pretty well
destroyed their economy. Could their action today be in retaliation? I have no idea, but have no doubt that the
Japanese have the means at their disposal to destroy the U.S. economy. Could the financial equivalent of
Hiroshima/Nagasaki be about ready to explode the U.S. mkts?

I feel that all these mkts are extremely dangerous for the small player.

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Date: Thu Sep 10 1998 01:03
PH in LA (Dumb, dumber and dumbest...more shame and degradation in the jihad.) ID#225408:
Copyright © 1998 PH in LA/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
In case anyone has not yet guessed the identity of our friend Realistic, I submit as a working hypothesis that he is just another personality of RJ/Jujube.

You know, the three of you are beginning to look dumber and dumber.

One moment RJ, the great repository of information who sometimes just freaks himself out with how much he actually knows about so many things goads Farfel about his comment about a substitute for Platinum being possible, with a long erudite list of questions about elements, substitutes, legal trivia and inane comments about medieval alchemy changing lead into gold, etc. With a chuckle, Farfel astutely points out that at one time, a locomotive without coal was equally unthinkable. As a matter of fact, the technology exists today to eliminate the catalytic converter. EV-1, the electric car. Didn't any of you three stop long enough to think of that?

Letting Farfel make you look stupid! Shame on all three of you!

There is something else the three of you might just consider keeping in mind.

Facts are not knowledge.

You might be able to freak yourself out with how much you actually know about so many things. Just don't be surprised if it doesn't have the same effect on the rest of us. In fact, I'm beginning to freak out thinking about all the things you obviously know nothing whatsoever about.

Your long confusing list of identities reminds me of a T-shirt I once saw. In large letters it said:

I'M TERRIBLE WITH NAMES.
DO YOU MIND IF I JUST CALL YOU ASSHOLE?

It's starting to seem like it might be easier on several levels if we all just got us one of those shirts.

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