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Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 23:06
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
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If a bull trap is the opposite of a bear trap, then why did you call the following a bull trap? Didn't the market shot upwards for many weeks to come?

It wasn't a trap then? Why did you say it was?

Thanks.

Date: Fri Mar 06 1998 18:08
farfel ( TODAY'S BULL TRAP RALLY... ( OLDMAN, LGB, AND JTF TRAPPED? ) ) ID#339265:
All the citizens that bought in October bought back in today...

IBM insiders dumped stock in last half hour of trade.

Remember, IBM saved the market in the last October debacle...maybe not this time.

F*, the Unpronounceable.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 22:26
farfel (@REALISTIC...and speaking of a life...) ID#17077:
...I do have one!

Enjoy yourself with the old cut and pastes, my friend.

Signing off.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 22:24
farfel (@REALISTIC...aren't you happy?) ID#17077:
...Puetz does not take the time to answer your juvenile questions...but every now and then, I do!

Hey, it's a great life.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 22:23
farfel (@REALISTIC...answer to your question...) ID#17077:
...bulltrap...the opposite of a beartrap...

...often used correctly when I'm not typing too fast.

( yuk, yuk )

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 22:14
farfel (@REALISTIC...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

When you pester posters and cut and paste like your hero, RJujube, do you do it to make yourself appear superior in the eyes of others? Are you a member of a master race?

Are you looking at trying to gain some profits, influencing other Kitcoites, relatives, and friends to continue buying overpriced equities?

Are your friends and family sleeping better? Even after they heard Greenspan announce last Friday that America could NOT remain unaffected by the global economic contagion? Knowing full well that every time Greenspan expresses pessimism about the market, sooner or later the market goes through hell?

Do you copy and paste after every post which disagrees with your bonds/equities bullish position? Do you copy and paste after every Steve Puetz
post because, at one time you followed his advice, and got screwed? Who is your new guru, Abby J. Cohen? If the market should crash tomorrow, will you find her E-Mail address and copy and paste her to death just
like you are doing with all your current perceived antagonists?

Do you Thank God every day there are not so many bored people as yourself who have the time to look up your own historical posts and point out your own failures of analysis and observaton?

Have you ever thought of getting a life? If you do so, will you also get one for your buddy RJujube?

Thanks.

F*


Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 22:02
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
No come on now...

What is a bull trap?

Please tell us.

Thanks.

Date: Fri Mar 06 1998 18:08
farfel ( TODAY'S BULL TRAP RALLY... ( OLDMAN, LGB, AND JTF TRAPPED? ) ) ID#339265:
All the citizens that bought in October bought back in today...

IBM insiders dumped stock in last half hour of trade.

Remember, IBM saved the market in the last October debacle...maybe not this time.

F*, the Unpronounceable.


Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 22:00
Realistic (@farfel re: investing) ID#410194:
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When you invest and when you make recommendations to your friends about where to put their money, are you looking at trying to gain some profits or do you rather construct your investment schemes by trying to have an influence on the sleeping habits of your friends.

Are you sure they are sleeping better? Even when they noticed the amazing bull market that they have missed in the bond market that took off a coupled of days after March 2nd?

Do you invest to make some money or to sleep?

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term..

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:55
farfel (@REALISTIC...just go ask your daddy...) ID#17077:
...and he'll explain it all to you.

( tugs Realistic's ears, real cute-like )

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:50
Realistic (@farfel) ID#410194:
But what is a bull trap?

Date: Fri Mar 06 1998 18:08
farfel ( TODAY'S BULL TRAP RALLY... ( OLDMAN, LGB, AND JTF TRAPPED? ) ) ID#339265:
All the citizens that bought in October bought back in today...

IBM insiders dumped stock in last half hour of trade.

Remember, IBM saved the market in the last October debacle...maybe not this time.

F*, the Unpronounceable.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:30
farfel (@REALISTIC....I advised my friends and relatives...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...to go to gold, silver, and cash in recognition of the stocks and bonds bubbles we have had this past year. I did not suggest this action would maximize their profits.

Rather, I wanted them to sleep peacefully at night.

Unlike, those stock and bond investors today who are increasingly nervous as they witness the global economic contagion visit America's shores. I don't think they are sleeping very much lately.

Again, when bubbles burst, the average investors is ALWAYS the last one out.

Now do you understand, my McCarthyesque buddy?

Thanks.

F*


Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:15
farfel (@RJujube...an addendum re: PLATINUM...) ID#17077:
Yes, I do like platinum. Just imagine...if plat goes to the kind of price levels you prognosticate, I could probably sell my wife's plat & diamond bracelet and buy a nice summer cottage.

So, what in the world makes you imagine I would ever want the price of Plat to fall? Let it rise to the Heavens! My wife and I could retire to that nice fantasy summer cottage of ours.

I just don't think Plat has much upside from here...not until '99 at the earliest...or much later.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:15
Realistic (@Farfel Re: The bond market) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Are you serious?

You recommended cash, Gold and Silver?

Both Gold and Silver have gone down substantially since the day that you begged your friends not to invest in the bond market. ( See earlier message ) Gold is $10 lower and Silver a full dollar!!! ( Silver never made it to the double-digits like you said it would. ( See yesterday's posts )

At about the same time, why didn't you recommend to put their money in what was an obvious and intense bull market still back then: stocks? Pretty much the only thing that beat the bond market!

As an example, if they would have put their money in the Dow and/or the S&Ps, ( since you talked them out of investing in the bond market that took off like crazy ) they would have gotten much richer along the way by managing their account properly. Look at what happened for the following 4 months right after what you called a bull trap. ( ? )

Can you explain what is a bull trap and what is supposed to happen when we notice one?

Thanks.

Date: Fri Mar 06 1998 18:08
farfel ( TODAY'S BULL TRAP RALLY... ( OLDMAN, LGB, AND JTF TRAPPED? ) ) ID#339265:
All the citizens that bought in October bought back in today...

IBM insiders dumped stock in last half hour of trade.

Remember, IBM saved the market in the last October debacle...maybe not this time.

F*, the Unpronounceable.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:02
farfel (@RJujube... I think you misunderstand me....RE: PLATINUM/PALLADIUM) ID#17077:
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...I like Platinum and Palladium.

After all, I bought my wife a plat and diamond bracelet for Valentines Day. And I am thinking of getting her an I-MAC shortly that probably utilized palladium in its manufacture.

That makes me a buyer of Platinum, right? And a maybe indirect purchaser of palladium, right?

However, I just don't like Plat nor Palladium at these prices. I think they are rangebound, probably trending lower.

I would never pay more than 350 for plat in this global economic environment.

Of course, it's true there is now no known substitute for Platinum or Palladium. But years ago, for example, there was no known substitute for coal in running trains. THen look what happened!!

So, in this incredible Universe of ours, anything is possible, yes?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 21:01
farfel (@RJujube... I think you misunderstand me....RE: PLATINUM/PALLADIUM) ID#17077:
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...I like Platinum and Palladium.

After all, I bought my wife a plat and diamond bracelet for Valentines Day. And I am thinking of getting her an I-MAC shortly that probably utilized palladium in its manufacture.

That makes me a buyer of Platinum, right? And a maybe indirect purchaser of palladium, right?

However, I just don't like Plat nor Palladium at these prices. I think they are rangebound, probably trending lower.

I would never pay more than 350 for plat in this global economic environment.

Of course, it's true there is now no known substitute for Platinum or Palladium. But years ago, for example, there was no known substitute for coal in running trains. THen look what happened!!

So, in this incredible Universe of ours, anything is possible, yes?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 20:51
farfel (@REALISTIC...oh, yes...I suggested...) ID#17077:
...gold, silver, and cash.

You should get some.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 20:38
Realistic (@Farfel) ID#410194:
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The bond markt is hovering around new all-time highs again.

Did you offer an alternative investment suggestion to the friends of yours that you begged not to put any money into the bond market which picked up a full 10 points since then, a fantastic profitable move. If you did offer some suggestions, which were they? Where else could they have gained so much between March 3rd and today?

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term..

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 20:27
Jujube__A (Okay I admit it) ID#252286:

F*spot is my father

Is everybody happy now?

Boooooohhhooooohoohoohohoooohohohohohoho

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 20:16
Jujube__A (All this from one sentence) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

The following question, posed by F*Puetz, is akin to the alchemists dream of turning lead into gold. Not only is he an airhead when it comes to these markets, he now wants to go back to the 9th century and create magic with Merlyn. To this end, he writes of PGMs:

What if tomorrow a new substitute is discovered that replaces the need for these metals?


Firstly, is he suggesting that we add to the table of elements? Has he discovered a new and exotic atom? He is a wonder, is he not? We will call this particle, the F*lump particle.

Some questions come to mind:

F*rot
Could you please give an overview of the catalytic properties of platinum and palladium, and then describe another substance that has these same or similar properties? What are the catalytic properties of PGMs? If these is a substitute, it would be nice to know what you want that substitute to do, would it not? Also, how much platinum or palladium goes into a car? What would the cost savings be if the laws were changed to do away with these catalytic converters? How may these laws be changed? Are there international treaties that would stand in the way of changing these laws? Could congress change these laws on their own? What he been the effect of the use of PGM catalysts on the quality of air of the last two decades?

Just a few questions - which you dodge like a bum dodges a bath - and you continue a deliberate misinformation campaign against some metals because you cannot answer the most basic questions of what you speak and are trying to cover your incredible ignorance with bombast and bluster. Since your theories are easily refuted by readily available facts, figures, and 2000 years of human history, each and every time you make one of your nonsense posts, you add weight to the great F*Puetz Lie that will follow you wherever you go.

Ask yourself what you have to gain by this. Then ask your self what you have to loose.

If you think about this question, you will see the win column holds a zero. What could you possibly gain from this? Bigger ego? It’s too big for this earth to begin with. Now ask yourself what you have to loose, as a band of maniacal hell bent for revenge hackers cyber-stalks you where ever you go and exposes you for the fraud you are. I know people that like that sort of thing and would follow you wherever you go in cyberspace just to publish your collected list of lamebrained boners. These people do this because they think it is fun to do that sort of thing. Not at all what I would do, but I know folks who would. Just like you know the mob and Al Gore. I am surprised though, a man or your stature with no claims to be aquatinted with the rat bastard child molesting women hating murdering lying piece of crap president we currently have?

Think again about THE question. If you answer in other than, I wish this to stop now, then you truly are a fool, and like your on the knees buddy Al Gore and his murdering boss, your ego is just too large to let you do anything but destroy yourself. I truly pity you, not just for who and what you are ( for I would not change places with that narrow rut mind for all the gold in the solar system ) but for the continued embarrassment you will suffer daily. The worst punishment of all would be to have to wake up as you everyday. If faced with that, I could not go on.

As children, we all had that experience when we reach for something hot and burned our fingers. We did not repeat that mistake too often before we decided not to touch those hot things.

Its called learning F*smear, try it……. It has worked so well for the rest of us.

You are burning yourself with this simple minded campaign against PGMs.

I am very pleased however, and wish you to keep it up. I can blast you for days, based on what you have written in the last 24 hours. We will make sure that your new audience at golden eagle is aware if your boneheaded calls, plethora of ridiculous mistakes, and generally all around know-nothing when it comes to these markets.

My ISP is offering me a free website. How about the anti-Fspot sight? I could post this URL to everybody. I could e-mail it to the hundreds of Kitco readers who have posted their e-mail addresses ( I collect them ) I could cover the world with your blather. I would not do this. But I know people who would for a bag of Fritos and a six-pack of beer.

You think I’m joking, keep it up. Since you are anonymous, and I have no idea who your really are, nothing would be considered slanderous or libelous as we would always stick to provable facts. Ask an attorney about this, I did. If you, however treated real people the same way, you could have a problem. If you denigrate a real person and the company they work for, both or either have the option of digging in those ever so deep pockets you must have to be such a major player and all How deep are those pockets? Even after the losses you took in gold the last two years, I suspect there may be something to be had in the bottom of those pockets. At the very least, the attorneys could relieve you of all that gold you bought when you didn’t care and bought more.

This is easier than fish in a barrel…. More like an arthritic insect under a microscope.

To finish, an except from Henry the Fifth by a better writer than me:

Bloody constraint; for if you hide the crown
Even in your hearts, there will he rake for it.
Therefore in fierce tempest is he coming,
In thunder and in earthquake, like a Jove,
That if requiring fail, he will compel;
And bids you, in the bowels of the Lord,
Deliver up the crown; and to take mercy
On the poor souls for whom this hungry war
Opens his vasty jaws; and on your head
Turning the widows’ tears, the orphans’ cries,
The dead men’s blood, the privy maidens’ groans,
For husbands, fathers, and betrothed lovers,
That shall be swallowed in this controversy.
This is his claim, his threat’ning, and my message;



I did not write that, Shakespeare did. It just seemed somehow appropriate.


Kisses and hugs

And

Thanks

J*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 20:05
Mole (for no particular reason) ID#34883:
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Benjamin Franklin:

I grew convinced that truth, sincerity, and integrity in dealings between man and man were of the utmost
importance to the felicity of life; and I formed written resolutions, which still remain in my journal book to
practise them ever while I lived. Revelation had indeed no weight with me as such; but I entertained an
opinion that, though certain actions might not be bad because they were forbidden by it, or good because it
commanded them, yet probably these actions might be forbidden because they were bad for us, or
commanded because they were beneficial to us in their own nature, all the circumstances of things
considered. Autobiography ( ed. F. W. Pine, Henry Holt, New York, 1916 ) , p. 112.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 20:03
farfel (@CRAZYTIMES...thanks for the info...) ID#17077:
...I'll look at the post.

Thanks

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:48
farfel (@RJujube...for somebody who despises Clinton & Gore so intensely...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...and other aspects of the American Establishment, you sure place great faith in the various statistics purveyed by mainstream establishment organizations. Especially stats that validate your views on Plat and Palladium....or Wall Street's mainstream perspective today that denigrates gold's position in the global financial world.

Of course, that is your gift. You appear to have a quasi-photographic memory for all kinds of facts and data about all variety of esoterica. I have never seen a kid spew such huge volumes of stats about every uninteresting topic under the sun. Did you used to read and memorize encyclopedias as a kid? Probably did...and then I bet you'd put everyone in their place who dared to question you on some topic in which you held a vast store of data.

I know I did. Of course, when you get to be my tender age, the photographic memory begins to wane. I like to tell people ( if I don't like them ) , Hell, I've forgotten more than you will ever know! However, in general, I aim to build people up today...and make them feel better about themselves. That's owing primarily to the angelic influence of wife.

Once I got past the data collection stage though, I focused more on the seminal thought stage. The process began in High School then accelerated exponentially once I entered the Ivy League. In order to get to that stage, I had to question all data presented to me from all variety of sources. I had to ask, Who purveys this data? What is their intent in purveying this data? What is its effect? Etc., etc.

No longer could I accept all mainstream data at face value.

Anyway, as I've said in the past, you're still young and evolving...getting there bit by bit.

There's hope for you and someday you will thank me for this post.

Thanks.

Your Old Pal,

F*


Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:36
Liberty (@ PH / Fwipe......have fun boyz) ID#316404:
I'll leave you two to your mutual mental masturbation for awhile.....

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:25
farfel (@PH in LA... YOUR 19:14....) ID#17077:
...smart analysis.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:25
crazytimes (Farfel......) ID#342376:
Read the repost on K1 that I made of Bill Murphy's commentary. In it, he also mentions what you did, namely the break below 278 in the price of gold was engineered.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:22
farfel (@LGBUGal...a full year later, you still crack me up...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...I do get a kick out of you and your buddy RJujube...all Born Again sweetness and civility on K-1 while posting rabid epithets and threats on K-2.

The catharsis must feel pretty good.

What am I...a surrogate punching bag in lieu of your employers...or your fathers?

I know the markets are tumultuous at the moment as they move swiftly toward some climactic moment. It's unfortunate you fellas are feeling so edgy about them.

However, I do agree with you on one point....cheerleading has little to any notable effect on the market. If general equities are headed for a spill soon, then you cannot talk or cheerlead them upward! The market moves where it moves in the face of all cheerleading. You can trot out all the statistics you want in terms of how wonderful the economy is...how great equities have performed historically...all forms of cheerleading that ultimately will NOT affect the inevitable direction of the market if the psychology of the mass investor has changed.

So, why waste your breath?

Of course, I do not think there is anything inherently wrong with cheerleading. It can be a soothing process as one weathers the storm of insane markets that one is convinced will yield to sunshine.

But in the end analysis, yes, we do agree: the cheers will not affect the market outcome.

Meanwhile, just close your pretty eyes and contemplate all the sweetness in this world.

Eventually your rage and venom shall subside.

Yes...this too shall pass.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:14
PH in LA (Shame and Degradation in the Jihad) ID#225408:
Copyright © 1998 PH in LA/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
I sometimes just freak myself out with how much I actually know about so many things. ( From the unpublished writings of RJ/Jujube. )

It must be quite a shock for a lonely soul trying to fill the void of ( his own ) useless existence when he suddenly realizes that he actually knows something. So much so that upon realizing it he loudly proclaims to the whole world: sometimes I just freak myself out with how much I actually know about so many things. Such an individual, who in all his infinite knowledge adhering closely to the unexamined cliché knowledge is power finds it irresistible to use whatever puny knowledge that has so impressed himself to prop up his weak sense of self-worth by berating those with the temerity to disclose any lack of knowledge about any subject. Conveniently forgetting and ignoring in the process that every human being stores up vast knowledge in the course of a lifetime that would undoubtedly freak out even more this same lonely soul could his infinite knowledge actually encompass such a fact.

And so on such a tottering and insecure philosophical underpinning he proclaims jihad even as the originators of the word blow up buildings killing and maiming any and all who dare oppose them, by claiming for himself the foolish pleasure of ridiculing and belittling the opponent he expends his mental energy fighting. His cohort even stoops to serving up the well-worn argument that his opponent is sub-human and pre-evolutionary rather than a human being without calling forth any word of censure from the lonely soul.

As one watches the unfolding of their jihad it all becomes almost painfully unbearable to behold. Every idiotic argument is pompously proclaimed by the participants with completely straight faces. For example, a poster offering to divine the course of platinum's future price is smuggly demanded to supply the irrelevant information of how many ounces of platinum are used in the average automobile's construction. Upon failure to fall for such a mindless trap by remaining silent, he is convicted of stupidity by the idiotic judge and his idiotic jury. All cavort and celebrate their proceedings by congratulating themselves, revelling in their knowledge is power axiom while imagining that they have somehow proven some major facet of their superiority.

Another highly respected idiot pleads for market calls and an exhibition of knowledge while trumpeting his own market calls with the obvious intention of interpretting at a later time anything offered in an effort to prove to himself that his hindsight is superior to the other's foresight. Such empty proof is passed out as valuable knowledge, while he piously invokes his vast respect for those who suffered under Hitler and the Holocaust, conveniently ignoring the charge of inhumanity that brought forth the reference in the first place.

The holy warrior imagines that this place keeps ( him ) sharp and creative by honing his skill at beating up on victims and bystanders alike, all the while explaing how it is that his supposedly supercharged creative talents go unnoticed and unincluded in another respected website because said website lacks balance and perspective. We are told and expected to believe that he intentionally withholds his contrary views to enhance the one-sidedness of the publisher, denying him balance and perspective while lambasting the unappreciative cite for being unbalanced...exactly what he claims his voice would offer in the first place. The reader is exhorted to take this bit of convoluted illogic at face value.

The most fantastic part of the whole spectacle is the way the participants imagine their behavior is perceived. They brazenly parade around mugging for their internet audience, exhibiting their vacuous thought processes in the idiotic belief that their business will somehow be increased by the vast hordes of mindless investors that will flock to their telephone, e-mail and fax lines to buy, buy, buy; giving the term bottom line a whole new dimension. As if in the shadow of the bloated DOW, complete contempt for the intelligence of their prospective clients will somehow carry the day for their shallow and logically deficient arguments.

Just who do they think are the greater fools, anyway?

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 19:00
farfel (@LGBUGal...I'm sorry to hear you once blindly followed gurus...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
LGBUGal posted:

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 12:43
LGB ( @ JTF ) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Thanks for your comments JTF. And lest those who missed earlier posts I've made think that I havn't been a
victim of losses in the metals...

The very REASON I take the perspective I do, is that I lost a portion of my ( then very modest ) net worth, back in
the late 70's on bad precious metals investment advice from my then Guru's...Howard Ruff & Granville. You
know, the guy's who were perpetually bullish Gold, Bearish Equities, saying essentially all the same things we
often see here.

However, being a young tadpole in my early 20's at the time, the losses I took in metals, taught me an extremely
valuable lesson... and that was NEVER but NEVER believe in Guru's. NEVER allow emotion or ideology to bias
important investment decisions in ways that could harm your net worth.

DO your own study. Be objective and honest as possible about the markets. Study every point of view, every
facet.

-------------------------

F* says...OK, NOW I understand why you hate gold chauvinists like myself. I had suspicions that you and RJujube had been burned in the past by certain guru's. Now, you have become your own gurus to the PM investor masses, espousing your own brand of chauvinistic philosophy ( Always trade gold...never buy and hold! In the long run, plat and palladium can only go up, etc., etc. ) .

I guess sometimes you slip up though. Hey, I'm sorry if you fell under my influence re: my analysis of the Pegasus situation....but there was nothing inherently wrong with the analysis. THe end result could have gone either way...but it went against the company. You win some, you lose some.

At least, you learned that the banks are not going to give an inch today to any gold mining companies that encounter troubles. So, next time, you'll be smarter. Sometimes you have to lose some dollars to augment your education. You never stop learning, my irascible buddy.

Don't continue to foam at the mouth and blame me, LGBUGal. Sounds like you're a grown-up boy now...nobody forced you to buy those Pegasus shares, did they? You read my analysis...you purchased. I did not place the buy order...you did!

Of course, there are Kitcoites that are probably influenced by you too. Thanks to you, tHey will buy Plat and Palladium expecting huge profit. What if it never materializes? What if tomorrow a new substitute is discovered that replaces the need for these metals? What if these same people dump their gold at 288 ( top of RJujube's assured trading range ) and for some reason, the metal shoots upward in a matter of days to 400? What if your analysis of PM's is not quite so astute as you are convinced it is? Result: you too shall incur the same wrath that you spew my way!

Yes, it's Pegasus, isn't it? Now we all understand.

Onwards and upwards.

Thanks.

F*


Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 11:11
LGB ( @Is Warren Buffet also a bad influence?) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
*Fwipe sayz.... ( @REALISTIC...I told you to refer all SILVER questions to LGBUGAL... ) ID#17077:...he's the one who influenced me into believing silver was going through the roof this summer. He's Kitco's resident silverbug. I guess you might say I fell under bad influences.

LGB sayz.....

Hmmm, I never said silver was going through the roof in the summer. As Realistic has so rightly pointed out, I am a LONG term investor, based on perceived value and fundamentals....purportedly the SAME reasons that Warren Buffet invested in the stuff long after I had made these silver in undervalued statements on K1.

Time will tell who's right...I like 1999 as the year silver begins it's true take-off to the $8.00 to $10.00 region, and 2000 as the year it breaks well above the $14.00 level at some point...all this somewhat dependant on a semi recovery in Asian markets and India demand.

Anyway, if Bad influence means I share the same traits as WB, a long term investment strategist so far beyond my leafue that is makes me dizzy...well than I'll accept that company any day.

Hmmmm..... now that I think of it though *Fspot.... have you checked back 12 months lately to see where Silver was a year ago vs. today? And then compared that with Gold a year ago and today? I bought the vast majority of my bullion holding last July..at $4.30 average...announced it here at the time...and the reasons why.....

i DO believe it's in the profits.... something we can't say for Gold ( or most stocks for that matter... )

Yep.... I'm a Baaaaaaaaad investment influence all right. If you like poverty.

*L



Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 10:27
LGB (@ PH) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery than I suppose I should be flattered. Hmmm, yet I don't feel so for SOME reason.

Your analogies to Hitler and such are a sorry attempt to imitate the style with which I critisize this *Fwipe creature. After all, I don't consider him Subhuman...more like Pre-evolutionary... the sulpherous *F belch of an early volcano perhaps.

Additionally, I would remind you that if you read the repost I just put up, it once again demonstrates that it is the *Fwipe who brought all this upon himself with his unprovoked invective, stated in terms of offensive that NO ONE, including myself, would EVER consider using...

I know you're easily confused PH, but let's get it straight...Your hero *Fwipe/Clinto brought all this on themselves through their OWN behaviour. Thoose of us who rightly point it out, are merely the messengers, not the perps.

Finally, I find your callous disregard of those who suffered under Hitler and the Holocaust, to be extremely offensive. Personally, I would never besmirch their memory of the innocents who suffered under that regime, by invoking it in this kind of argument, over such a pathetic piece of excrement as *Fwipe.

Get a life. This isn't your battle, your attempts to make it such are a wasted exercise.

Post your own market expertise ( I'm still looking ) and stop groveling at the foot of this dung heap, *Fsteam.

Must you have Guru's to adore, or is it possible that some day you may have an original thought? I have nothing else to say to you..... at least you don't make pretense to know anything about markets, Gold, equities, or any other subject...and this is good...you know your limitations.

Maybe if you go read the words of some of the greats on K1, instead of serving as lap dog to your totally discredited hero's, you may have an original thought someday....

Have a nice day

*L

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 10:12
LGB (@ Jujube...Did I hear Al Gore's name mentioned) ID#269409:
Now *Fspot has REALLY erred if he's invoking the spectre of Al Gore. It's HE who ought to be worried.

Does he not know that Al Gore is the world's environmentelist champion against global warming? Does not the *Fwipe realize that his wordy posts contribute more noxious Greenhouse gas emissions to the upper atmosphere, then the military industrial complex of all civilized nations?

If Al Gore catches Wind of this *Fwipe feller, *Fwipe will be locked away for life!!

*L

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 10:06
LGB (@ Tyoung, @Fwipe, @P, all) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
I don't often put up reposts, but in this case it's appropriate. Mr. Tom, you've always been a stand up guy. But I think you might have mis-interpreted the Jihad comments of yesterday.

Actually, all this nonsense has been perpetrated by one and ONLY one individual, who is incapable of carrying on reasonable discourse with his betters. ( In spite of what his lap dog disciple PH may tell you ) . Following is a post I made many months ago, in response to one of *Fwipe's early posts in which his true character emerges.

You'll note particularly, *Fwipes phrase that states...., and I quote exactly...... ...when you come on this forum and declare that these metals are effectively worthless...or headed to the dustbin of history...then you might as well be a rapist who breaks into my home. I will shoot you...I will kill you...I will rip off your ears and gleefully watch you bleed to death on my floor.

Tell me Tom, are these the words of a sane and rational being who can discuss markets with his superiors? ( Superiors in this case defined as anything that draws oxygen into lungs ) . Anyway, in the interest of assuring *Fwipes words continue to be imortalized for his follwoers like PH, here ya go, the repost;


Following are the fair, balanced, gentlemanly, open minded, and objective comments of the omnipotent Gold analysts, F* Word. ( I say F* word, because so many of his posts were signed “F* the Unpronounceable” ...thus I want to give him the reverence he so desires when he takes on the self appointed mantle of having an unpronounceable name...something only God had previously laid claim to )

Comments in parenthesis, are, unfortunately, the work of my own hand...LGB. All other comments are those of the F* word fellow


Date: Fri Apr 17 1998 00:03
farfel ( KITCO...is it a glee club for gold? ) ID#340302:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved


A certain poster ( Hmmmm, I thought this guy F* word claims he always calls other posters by their Kitco name out of respect? ) recently disparaged this forum as evolving into nothing more than a glee club for gold. The central thesis...it is imperative to hear the opposing point of view, i.e., the derogatory perspective of gold's
value, in order to achieve balance and proper perspective. ( Hmmm, I disagree with the characterization here, the FACTUAL perspective would be a lot more accurate. The actual history of performance, current prospects for future performance. As a GoldBug, AND a believer in the achievements of the age, I can’t imagine having an “Anti” Gold view any more than an “Anti” US economy view )

Personally, I do not believe that Kitco's strong bias in favor of gold ( or silver ) is a a bad thing. ( Any strong bias will prevent good judgment, not only in matters Gold investment related, but in ALL areas of life ) .....Why? Because today, we live in a world in which gold is disparaged routinely in virtually all mainstream media...or it is
ignored completely. ( I see, if phony propagandizing and bias exists in the mainstream media, then the proper response is to eliminate truth, objectivity, and honest evaluation in other forums... )

What is so wrong about the tendentious nature of this forum then? Why is it perfectly acceptable for a media outlet such as CNBC to blast its frequent, total, chauvinistic support of the supremacy of equities and bonds and the irrelevance of gold in a modern economy ...yet somehow various Kitcoites feel it is imperative for this forum to present a fair balance between goldbugs and their pro-equities/anti-gold poster antagonists...and the
very same Kitcoites become oh-so indignant if they perceive the argumentation is balancing too far in favor of gold ( Obviously this guy doesn’t read major “peer” stock forums such as the “SI” thread, where bearish, objective, and balanced sentiments abound in huge measure )

What is wrong with having another strong mouthpiece for gold such as the Kitco Forum in this paper-pyramid-economy-is-OK-by-me world? God only knows the World Gold Council is doing a miserable job of propagandizing ( Glad the F* fellow realizes EXACTLY what it is he’s trying to push here...”propagandizing” ) gold's merits. So, what crime exists in allowing a preponderance of goldbug intellectuals
to present their views over a non-mainstream internet site such as this and offer some token resistance to the mountain of anti-gold nonsense out there? ( Perhaps the crime that exists in such a view...is that some of us still have a love for truth, honesty, facts, and reality in making a judgment as to both sides of any issue...be it economic, Gold related, political, spiritual, socio-economic......I know, we’re stupid ideologues and all for holding this view...yet it persists...... )

Balance...schmalance. ( F* word... this should be your mantra for all time )

I welcome anti-gold exponents to post on this forum...I beg them to do so. ( Uh huh ) However, be warned...there are those here ( myself included ) who will dispute your anti-gold logic until it crumbles into the nonsensical gibberish it really is. ( Funny that those who look at both the up AND down side of Gold are called “anti”....where have we seen this kind of thinking before? )

If that should happen and you run away, crying to mama, then do not blame us!! Furthermore, let no other Kitcoites scold those of us who take no prisoners in such argumentation either. The pro-gold/anti-gold schism is not a mere dialectic...it is nothing less than a cultural war. Despite the ostensible appearance of pandemic ( You sure you know what this means? ) prosperity, this country is at war with itself. Anyone who would deny this is viewing the world through blinders. ( This guy have a messianic leader complex or what? Gold is beautiful and has some noble metallurgical properties, and a rich history of societal valuation....but it’s not exactly the spiritual be all and end all of the Universe... )

There are many in this world and on this forum who have built their houses upon foundations of gold and silver...who clothe their families out of the fabrics of gold and silver...who feed their families from plates of gold and silver...so... ( not in the last 2 decades they haven’t..... )

...when you come on this forum and declare that these metals are effectively worthless...or headed to the dustbin of history...then you might as well be a rapist who breaks into my home. I will shoot you...I will kill you...I will rip off your ears and gleefully watch you bleed to death on my floor. ( Now we finally see the true nature of the gentlemanly F* person ...and how open and objective a guy he is when it comes to Gold analysis....yes we can assess the worth of all his words in this very telling context )
Thanks.

F*

( Final LGB comment....do the words Orwell, fascist, fanatic, free speech, objectivity, balance, propaganda ,or frightening have any meaning in this man’s vast vocabulary? )

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 08:45
Realistic (@Farfel Re: Silver double-digits) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
No Farfel,you misread some posts again. LGB has always been bullish on Silver but for the very long haul, he is a LONG TERM investor in it, he doesn't care about the short term. He said it often.

You did give it a time limit though and you said that Silver's prices will be going into the double-digits ( ! ) by summer's arrival.

Could you please tell us why do you think it didn't happen and what did you base your spectacular predictions on?

Silver has been going own since the beginning of March.

Thanks.

Date: Mon Mar 02 1998 01:54
farfel ( PRAGMATIC THOUGHTS ON SILVER... ) ID#28585:
Silver...the recent, huge advance in silver leaves many doubters expecting the top is now in. Skeptics such as Martin Armstrong note that backwardation in the metal is the sure indicator that bullish mania has gone beyond sustainability and the metal is ready to tumble. Yet, silver is a very unique commodity in a very unique time in our history. At this point, it has far more positives than negatives. Despite this fact, it will remain highly volatile on its way toward its double digit destiny by Summer's arrival.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 02:04
Jack (Some 1997 palladium information) ID#252127:
Copyright © 1998 Jack/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

( ( Wording below is not exactly as in the referenced
article. ) )

From The Northern Miner of Dec. 15-21, 1997 and relating
to palladium consumption for 1997 as provided by Johnson
Matthey Refiners.

In 1997 supplies of palladium stood at 5.65 million oz.,
while demand stood at 7.44 million oz.

Auto makers were expected to purchase 3.07 million oz.,
this is up 710,000 ounces compared with 1996.

Consumption of palladium in the electronics sector is
forcast to rise 500,000 oz. in 1997 to 2.54 million oz.,
other applications will rise about 60,000 to 1.97
million oz.
( ( My addition: Adding the above figures gives 7.58
million oz which is a bit off the initial 7.44 million
figure. ) )

( ( What is significant is that the 3.07 million oz. used by the auto industry is about 40% of total consumption
and is Mandated by Government's. ) )

( ( Government edicts are not reliable means of determining future demand as they are impositions upon society which may change. ) )

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 02:01
Jack (Some 1997 palladium information) ID#252127:
Copyright © 1998 Jack/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

( ( Wording below is not exactly as in the referenced article. ) )

From The Northern Miner of Dec. 15-21, 1997 and relating to palladium consumption for 1997 as provided by Johnson Matthey Refiners.

In 1997 supplies of palladium stood at 5.65 million oz., while demand stood at 7.44 million oz.

Auto makers were expected to purchase 3.07 million oz., this is up 710,000 ounces compared with 1996.

Consumption of palladium in the electronics sector is forcast to rise 500,000 oz. in 1997 to 2.54 million oz., other applications will rise about 60,000 to 1.97 million oz.
( ( My addition: Adding the above figures gives 7.58 million oz which is a bit off the initial 7.44 million figure. ) )

What is significant is that the 3.07 million oz. used by the auto industry is about 40% of total consumption and is Mandated by Government's.

Government edicts are not reliable means of determining future demand as they are impositions upon society which may change.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 00:41
Jujube__A (Some minor changes and then some more things) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Yet, what real intrinsic value is there?

It is valued in American Dollars, you see. The value is in the American Dollar, not the Gold.

You cannot go to a store and buy food with gold.

You cannot pay your rent with gold.

No, you must sell your gold for American Dollars.

The last time I looked, all transactions in America were conducted in Dollars, not gold.

So, in effect, Gold is worthless.

No store of value there.


Sorry.

Thanks

J*




PS
Yet platinum has historically, even back to ancient times, been more valuable than gold 99% of the time. I feel very bad for gold, should your ever so dark views on platinum hold up.

But you still offer no facts to support your assertions. We must conclude that you are just blowing your horn again. ( on your knees in front of your friends? REALLY ) .
Since this is an historical fact, and you are obviously trying another of your lame attempts at satire, thinly veiled as it may be. Do you now propose that the same history that you hold aloft for the nobility of gold, is completely wrong about its more valuable distant cousin?

This history that you use to support your views on gold, has always supported platinum prices at a premium to gold, You stepped it again paly, you are shooting yourself in the foot and all these words will return to you at a later date. Tell the folks then it was just satire and you knew it all the time.

Thanks

J*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 00:21
Jujube__A (9/9/98 Huh?) ID#252286:

You live out on the west coast there F* sonny.
That's about 9:30 pm there, isn't it?
Is you clock broken
Or has somebody just cleaned it?

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 00:20
PH in LA () ID#225408:
Farfel:

I thought of you when I read the Kaplan site tonight.

On another note, not only does our admirer LGB admit to not distinguishing between mental patients and human beings, or between frauds/cowards/purveyors/etc ( all according to his own definitions of course ) and human beings, he also takes pride in being unable and/or unwilling to distinguish between lackeys and thoughtful intellects. Or between followers and like-thinking individuals.

Sigh!

Seems like a lost cause to me.

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 00:12
Jujube__A (Baaaaaarrrrrt....... its nooooot faaaaaaiiiiirrrrrr!!!) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

He is badmouthing platinum!!!

But so many love it so!!!!

How can he do this

I believe that he is personally responsible for driving the entire platinum market with his words. Ohhhh Pleeeeeeaaaaaase stoooop him! Don’t let him say any more bad things about platinum? Okay

He is a stupid rat, and walks into every trap I lay. I have gathered more of his foolishness this evening to squash his lamebrained ideas, I may never have to go the archives again!

Because RJ likes platinum, and F weenie hates RJ, he is now using this forum in a deliberate misinformation campaign. He is offering bogus information, which can be proven false. He is harming strangers who don’t know any better, who may act on his stupid words. Like Clinton murdering people in Sudan and Afghanistan because he was caught lying with his pants down. F worm is now passing misinformation on this site. I feel compelled to stop this. ( Yes F*boy, our president is a murderer, with all the moral and religious implications that encompasses that charge. You tell that to Al, woudya? )

By the way, F smear, Bart hates this very sort of thing. He really haters it when stock brokers come in to badmouth gold to sell some stocks. He will hate your deliberate misinformation regarding platinum. You are killing off your allies with each word you type. Do you think Bart cares more about you, or the integrity of his site? Do you think he will allow a distortion campaign against one of the metals? Keep it up and see where your friends are. Your messin’ with Bart’s lunch when you mess with the credibility of his site.

You should be ashamed of your actions. The man gave you a forum to spout your idiocies, but you now load it up with lies, and half truths about platinum. With NO facts to back it up. No answers to the most basic questions. Just because you can’t compete with RJ. Did your dad beat you a lot?

Oh, I get it, its all a joke, right? You knew it all the time?

You are getting funnier as the night goes on and I consider my role in your downfall here to be a shining moment in history.

Thanks

J*

Date: Wed Sep 09 1998 00:02
farfel (09/09/98 has now arrived...) ID#17077:
...how I have waited for this day. How I have waited for this day.

Signing off.

Thanks.

F*

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