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Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:57
farfel (@REALISTIC...I told you to refer all SILVER questions to LGBUGAL...) ID#17077:
...he's the one who influenced me into believing silver was going through the roof this summer.

He's Kitco's resident silverbug.

I guess you might say I fell under bad influences.

Oh, yes.

Thanks

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:50
Jujube__A (F*PUETZ IS GOING TO SICK AL GORE ON ME) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

HELP HELP HELP

NOT AL GORE! WHY….. HE COULD TAKE ME WITH ONE HAND TIED BEHIND HIS BACK ( AND A MARINE REGIMENT OR TWO ) . F SPOT IS TELLING THE VICE PRESIDENT ON ME! HELP HELP HELP

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO HAVE A CRIMINAL AS A FRIEND THERE, F*SONNY?

YOU TELL AL BABY, WHEN NEXT YOU ARE ON YOUR KNEES IN FRONT OF HIM, THAT HIS TIME IS DONE. HE IS A LYING CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE BOUNCED DOWN THE CAPITAL STEPS LIKE THE LIAR HE IS. HIS CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES HAVE BURIED HIM FOREVER. DO YOU PLAN TO VISIT HIM IS PRISON LUMPY BOY?

THAT IS THE BEST JOKE OF THE EVENING

THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH F WORM

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:50
Realistic (@Farfel Re: Silver) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Don't forget to fill us in about Silver not going into double-digits by summer's arrival as you said it would.

Also, looking at the chart, Silver has been in an overall bear market since March 4th so which takeoff were you talking about? Will there still be one and if so, when?

Thanks.

Date: Wed Mar 04 1998 16:55
farfel ( @SELBY...ON THE OTHER HAND, AFTER THIS WEEK... ) ID#339265:
...I would expect a major up-tick in little guy involvement as Buffett delineates the exact nature of his silver investment to the legions of Buffett disciples out there.

Be ready for takeoff!

- FARFEL ( the Unpronounceable )

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:43
farfel (WORTHY OF A REPOST: THE PROBLEM WITH PLATINUM...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:24
farfel ( THE REAL PROBLEM WITH PLATINUM... ) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...is that many people buy it thinking it is a store of value.

Yet, what real intrinsic value is there?

It is valued in American Dollars, you see. The value is in the American Dollar, not the Platinum.

You cannot go to a store and buy food with platinum.

You cannot pay your rent with platinum.

No, you must sell your platinum for American Dollars.

The last time I looked, all transactions in America were conducted in Dollars, not platinum.

So, in effect, Platinum is worthless.

No store of value there.

Sorry.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:41
farfel (@NOBODY IN PARTICULAR....) ID#17077:
...my God, now how did you figure out that my wife and I are acquainted with Vice-President Al Gore?

Did Bart fill you in on all the details? Is my true identity now revealed?

Oh,oh.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:35
Jujube__A (Is that it?) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

How much of worldwide palladium production goes into the manufacture of computers? Are there other electronic devices which are smaller and use more palladium? Looking up palladium in the encyclopedia will not hide your gross stupidity. You sound like a kid in forth grade trying to fake a book report after having not read the book.

That’s it? I ask the most basic questions about the PGM market, and you come back with wife’s rings, computers, and COIN DEALERS? Perhaps you truly are as dumb as you appear, and can only sound intelligent on occasion, like the million monkey’s with the million typewriters, ultimately everything they produce is more valuable than your empty headed statements.

How about the question of savings to the auto industry? How about the laws and treaties involved in pollution control? How about your goooooooood buddy and personal mentor, the standing aloft log himself, Al Gore? Would he approve of your unilateral removal of the one singe technology responsible for reducing 80% of the pollutants that have been eliminated from our air in the last 15 years?


Rings and computers. You define the market this way.

Pray you don’t continue your ways at golden eagle. I hear a peep of this kind of garbage and I will verbally squash you like a bug in front of the world. Try me, and see what happens.

You can never, ever win this, though I would dearly love to see you try. I’m just getting warmed up, I’m not a bit tired, and I am a thick skulled fellow in any case, so have at it. We will enlist others to join the Jihad. Life will be not fun and the sunshine you lovingly speak of will not shine.

This is the road you have chosen.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:31
farfel (On second thought, maybe PLATINUM is too expensive at this price...) ID#17077:
...so I do NOT think I would buy my wife a platinum bracelet at these prices...unless it is dotted in DIAMONDS. Then I would be more interested. DIAMONDS are always more valuable than platinum...and there is much more populist interest in diamonds.

So I CANNOT buy platinum by itself at today's price.

It is too expensive for where it is likely headed.

Yes.

Thanks.

F*


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:24
farfel (THE REAL PROBLEM WITH PLATINUM...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...is that many people buy it thinking it is a store of value.

Yet, what real intrinsic value is there?

It is valued in American Dollars, you see. The value is in the American Dollar, not the Platinum.

You cannot go to a store and buy food with platinum.

You cannot pay your rent with platinum.

No, you must sell your platinum for American Dollars.

The last time I looked, all transactions in America were conducted in Dollars, not platinum.

So, in effect, Platinum is worthless.

No store of value there.

Sorry.

Thanks.

F*


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:17
farfel (PLATINUM...I like it at this price....) ID#17077:
...but not much higher.

I would consider buying a platinum bracelet for my wife at this price. Many others do. But never above 350!

At this point, it is rangebound, don't you think?

( Oh, I sure hope the KITCO platinum policeman doesn't object to my humble opinion )

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 23:10
PH in LA (LGB and Adolf Hitler: Birds of a Feather) ID#225408:
Copyright © 1998 PH in LA/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
But I take exception to Man... I would never kick a Man when he's down. A coward maybe, a fraud perhaps, A purveyor of false and misleading information, yeah.....a pathalogically psychotic schizoid mental patient....maybe, an Delusional Wanna be cult Guru...I think so...but never a man. LGB


Frightening, isn't it how demagogues always seem to spend their time lamenting in others exactly what they ought to take exception to in their own characters. LGB claims to differentiate between mental patients and men, between a purveyor of false and misleading information and a man, between a coward and a man, frauds and men, etc.

Where have we heard that before?

Didn't Adolf Hitler make similar distinctions? Between human beings and jews, between homosexuals and humans, between _____________ and men... ( fill in the blank ) .

I guess LGB feels qualified to judge between any of the above and a man, too.

Sex perverts are not men either. And LGB knows the difference between normal sex and perverted sex...that's how he knows he hates the President of the United States of America. Otherwise, would he know? One wonders.

Actually, looking too closely at the words of LGB is embarrassing on so many levels that one is almost always well-advised to refrain from doing so.


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:55
Jujube__A (The preceding was) ID#252286:

A compelling and definitive definition of F*spot's future should he continue the course he is on. This is as sure as the sun will rise. Only he can choose the level of tumult.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:51
Jujube__A (PH... the last we speak) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Either you did not read far enough back or you missed this, and the other similar posts surrounding it. Once again, under no provocation, with nary a word from myself or any other, the following is posted:

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 20:20
farfel ( Well, well, it looks like Puetz is THE man... ) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
..congrats to this man for having the balls to come out and make his tremendous bear market call in the face of much hostility from the usual bunch of malicious morons.

I say balls because it takes guts and courage to go with one's convictions in the face of hostile derision from the usual group of one-track idiots, specifically LGibberish, RotJerk, and RealisticNitwit.

Hey, Realistic Nitwit, where are all your posts ad nauseum describing Puetz's erroneous market calls? What happened? Did you get your butt kicked today?

In the face of Puetz' tremendous call, these guys still have the audacity to come onto this forum and denigrate the man.

Hey, Run for cover, kids.

And just remember who called this one kids?

Congrats again, Puetz.

You're Da Man.

Indeedy. Thingie. Fumpy. Scoobeedoobeedoobee.

Thanks.

F*

Read the other posts from 8/30 to 9/1. There he is laughing and gloating and wishing losses for people. He wants people to loose their money, serves ‘em right ‘, he shouts. He was personally insulting some posters I am fond of. When he lays off the insults - including the wishing that the gold shorts get creeeeeaaamed, I tend to go to sleep and can sleep for long periods at a time, being basically lazy at heart. But I am a skittish cat, and when my whiskers start a-twitchin’ and I look in to see what the cause is, I find F*Puetz under full sail of insanity.

By the way, this F*Puetz thing is just a working theory ( kind of like the one in which you insist that I am RJ. I am Jujube. I read a post from RJ to you. He said that his password does not work here. )

I thought F* intended that little star thing to stand for something. You remember that old Sienfeld episode when he couldn’t remember the girls name….. not Mulva…..? Well I did not want to be rude and ask, so I have been busting my ass for weeks in an attempt to stumble on the true meaning of the star. The only clues I have to go on are in the content of F*Puetz’s posts. I have been making my guesses based on what I find there. I hope this clears that up.

There is no need to address me further for I am Jujube and I have but one purpose. The madman stops his direct and implied insults, and I stay very sleepy. I have offered him this sleeping dog before, even once going so far as to shoot myself in the head after the insults stopped. But F*Puetz keeps coming back for more.

You may wonder what I get out of this. Well, I write a lot, and I get paid for it. Sometimes I don’t have much to write about. This place keeps me sharp and creative. Not a word has been wasted, and some have found their way into my other projects. So fear not that I toil in vain, for I am playing with the words vastly more so than playing with dear dumb as dirt F*Puetz. It is sad for him that I also happen to know these markets pretty well, as he is heard to whine.

Besides, I never backed down from a lying hypocrite in my life. F spot will not be the first.

Thank you for you concern over the golden eagle site. When Vronsky asked if I would write there, I declined. I cannot abide by a single minded place. The markets go two directions, yet golden eagle never acknowledges the down direction for gold. The funny thing is the opposite direction is never acknowledged for equities. Both are always out of whack, the world is a bunch of fools, and they alone have the key’s to the castle. I would be no part of such a whitewash. That, at least should be obvious by my posts.

I think F*Puetz has found a home at golden eagle. They will worship him there. He ought to just go over there and be a king, they all think EXACTLY like him. I cannot imagine following him there, I never visit that site anymore. Or he can stay here, while his posts are on golden eagle. I will then expose every mistaken, ill thought, and stupid thing he says.

A new generation of disciples awaits him at golden eagle. It would be sad if they too were exposed to the madman he truly is. I have so much amassed, that a single post would send his new disciples scrambling for the door. I’ll do it in one post, in as many sites as I can. I will be bared from sites and I will return and people will wonder how. Anybody can get one long post in anywhere. Once the word is out, well… you can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.

I will not post his dribble on K1 though. I read that site daily, although I do not post there ( well twice, the first was a mistake, and the second was to call attention to that mistake and apologize ) I have no intentions of bringing any of F*Puetz’s words to K1. If they show up by proxy, I will assume he is at the root of it and will hunt him down like a rabid dog and verbally slay him wherever I find him. All in the name of good fun, mind you. The words are so much more important that the F log.

I have been published elsewhere - in print, not the Internet - on a wide range of subjects. I sometimes just freak myself out with how much I actually know about so many things. How DOES it all fit? Where shall we put more? Is there still room for 3 million more useless ( until you need them ) pieces of information? My tastes do tend towards the fanciful whenever I can get paid for it, which is pretty good work, if you can get it.

Thanks for the concern over my published writings, but the best thing about my words, is where I choose to send them. I would not choose to send them to golden eagle, unless the site was significantly more balanced than it is today, or F*Puetz continues his attacks on my friends from over there. This will rouse me in my throne of anger and I will henceforth ride off to slay this serpent. Apart from that, I wish golden eagle the very best. Vronsky is a truly amazing individual, part salesman, part prophet, part wise ass, speaks five or six languages, I like the guy. I just wish he would realize that people are looking for truth. They can find propaganda anywhere. Addition of nuts like F*Puetz only assure golden eagle’s continued irrelevance.

That is also why I admire some posters on K1, they buck a tide of ignorance and hostility to tell folks gold is going down, better get on the right side of this before it does you all in….. Those voices are few at K1 and nonexistent at golden eagle. Don’t you think that balance; ALL sides of the story, are important - even F*Puetz’s? Although in his case he said it all last November and has been repeating himself ever since. Every time he strays from the very narrow understanding he has of the world, he is to be found with both feet in his mouth.

Yes, balance is needed and this creep was destroying the balance. By shouting and constantly harassing all who even dared say a negative word about gold, his chorus of simpleton parrots jumped in and shouted louder than he. Before long, it was impossible to discuss markets over there. I saw people try to discuss realities, and they were roundly squashed with trumpets of $30,0000 gold. It reached a crescendo on the fateful July day and F nut snapped like a twig rotted through with bat guano. This demon was exorcised and, for a month, all could speak of markets again, in a high and wonderful fashion. Discourse was not stifled, rather, it flourished, without the constant berating typical of the pre farfel ban days.


Also I would like to thank you for offering me this forum to reply to your post and, in doing so, get in quite a few more jabs at the F lump. I have noticed that the replies to your seemingly outraged posts regarding farfel are often filled with more insults and expose of F*Puetz’s stupidity than the original posts you were so outraged about. In that respect you have been a great ally in this Jihad and I thank you. I sometimes run out of new ways to come at him, and your post tonight gave me a welcome venue.

It is much easier to insult somebody in the third person. A writer is often able to cut closer to the bone in the third person; not at all comfortable with confrontation. I am of different timber though. I walk right up, stare a man directly in the eyes, and tell him exactly what I think of him. This has got me punched once or twice in my life, but that was in my younger days. I can now smell it coming a mile away and they haven’t laid a glove on me in nearly four decades. F log has threatened to call the Mafia on me and has called Bart to cry about how unfair it all is. So I AM worried on that score.

Anyway, I wish I could be who you say I am, but I am only a lonely soul trying to fill the void in my useless existence with a rousing Jihad. Does tend to spice up the nights a bit.

Thanks

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:50
Liberty (@ *Fwipe) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Glad you enjoy Vronsky's site and plan to continue getting published there. It's the perfect place for you all right. A collection of mental Whack job, one note, extremists who have been perpetually wrong about virtually everything market related. you'll fot right in. As to your comment;

I like Bart and KITCO...however, there is just so much high emotionalism on this site now, don't you think? It is hard to get an argument across without a torrent of abuse immediately posted thereafter.

Actually *Fwipe, it's been my observation that virtually EVERYone on K1, myself included, is now able to post our market ideas and perspectives, unmolested by unprovolked insults now that certain members are banished. And now that Bart is enforcing a new set of guidelines.....

Yes, it's a very valuable resource and forum these days. Far far better than Vronsky's place. With far better minds, and far more diverse and sophisticated analysis.

Keep up the bad work here though *Fwipe....

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:45
Liberty (@ Realistic...concerning the DOW bubble) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
( *F spot properly modified post... ) ...as you are well aware, in any bubble market, it is often difficult to predict the precise point when the bubble will burst.

However, I do not regret going down on my knees and pleading with friends and relatives to avoid stocks several days, months, years back. They are sleeping much more peacefully now, I think.....
now that they no longer have any investment funds left to worry about.

As you are well aware, when a bubble bursts, it is an amazingly fast event. There never is enough time for the average investor to get out. NEVER. take Gold for example...when it was close to it's all time high of $800 per ounce, the DOW was also around 800.

NOW, the DOW is at 8000 and Gold is at $284.00 It would appear that Gold investors have lost just about everything they ever owned in this Store of value if they stuck with it over the years.

Yet they never change their tune no matter how often they are wrong. NEVER. It's an amazing display of ignorance, and naiveite to constantly parrot Gloom and Doom scenarios for 2 decades a la Granville don't you think?

Well....here's to hoping you made enough during the DOW's 2 decade 1000% gains, thatyou'll be well fixed EVEN in the event of a Bear market. You'll certainly do better than those who invested in Gold....even if and when the DOW bubble bursts, you'll be way ahead of the game over the perpetual Bear market Nimrods who recommended Gold all these years!

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:43
farfel (@LGBUGal...again, thanks for such kind comments...) ID#17077:
...is your employer getting on your case again?

Calm down, my friend. It can't be THAT bad.

Incidentally, I will be posting much more often on Vronsky's golden-eagle in the future. I truly enjoy his site and the many fascinating, knowledgeable analysts there.

I like Bart and KITCO...however, there is just so much high emotionalism on this site now, don't you think? It is hard to get an argument across without a torrent of abuse immediately posted thereafter.

Thanks

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:37
farfel (Hmmmm...another analyst moves into Farfel's STAGFLATION camp....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...very interesting indeed.

Thanks.

F*
-------------------------------------

by Steven Jon Kaplan
Back Issue List
Updated @ 7:40 p.m. EDT, Tuesday, September 8, 1998.
Talk with Steve Kaplan




DOES ANYONE REMEMBER STAGFLATION? ( sorry, baby boomers, this has nothing to do with
frat parties ) . Recently long-term U.S. interest rates appear to have bottomed, while short term rates
continue to drop, and corporate yields are widening over similar-term U.S. Treasuries. These trends
are typical of an economy which is experiencing a combination of increasing inflation ( thus the rising
long-term yields ) and the early stages of recession ( hence the widening spread for corporates, as the
risk of bankruptcy increases ) . Such a combination is ideal for gold, particularly if the Federal
Reserve decides that the risk of a severe recession is greater than the risk of inflation. Alan
Greenspan's comments on Friday evening seem to support this scenario; when the head of the Fed
proclaims publicly, if obliquely, that inflation is not a serious threat, this is giving the green light for
a major commodities rally. Confirmation of the bottom in the 30-year Treasury yield can be found in
the sentiment readings for Treasury bonds; as of the latest samplings, a 77% bullish reading from
Market Vane and a 70% bullish reading from Consensus. Both numbers are at historic extremes.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:36
Liberty (@ *Fwipe) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Re your reposts and PH posts, I simply can't remember the last time I saw someone's nose so far up someone else's nether regions. You truly are getting desperate dude. What is it...you want PH to resume being your tail wagging little lap dog so you can get more of your drivel reposted on K1?

Why don't you come over there yourself under a new handle? Can't afford the new account fee / IP address after your market losses?

There would be elements of humor here if it all wasn't so pathetic.

Post on Mr. Market expert , analyst, *Fwipe... and keep those brown nose comments coming, they speaks volumes about you.

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:21
TYoung (waiting for the cut & paste...to see the lie in dreamland...OUCH...) ID#317193:
again.

Tommy

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:15
farfel (WORTHY OF A REPOST...and additional comments.) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
D.A....NOW you're thinking!

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:56
D.A. ( some.currency.musings ) ID#7568:
Copyright © 1998 D.A./Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
All:

I've yet to see a reasonable explanation as to what the Japanese gov. is up to with regards to the Yen so I have
invented one. Here goes.

For some time now, many thoughtful economists have been calling on the Japanese to reliquify their economy by
simply printing Yen and buying up all the government debt around. Rates will be driven to 0 if necessary, all with
the idea of providing M growth and breaking the liquidity trap.

This theoretical economic fix would work just fine if ( and this is a very big if ) the Japanese were a world unto
themselves. In the real world, with open investment borders, Japan is just one of many places where capital may
flow to or from. What is apparent, is that the Yen printing strategy will do no more than devalue the Yen, and
destroy the wealth of the country in the process.

I believe that the Japanese are quite aware of this possibility having seen what capital flight has done to their
neighboring countries. They are apparently smart enough not to fall into the same trap.

Knowing that the Japanese people and their corporations hold massive amounts of overseas investments, the
Japanese government is hell bent on calling that capital home. If the people can be given a reason to invest their
money in Japan as opposed to US treasuries, DM stocks or Russian Rubbles, the vast savings of the Japanese can
be forced into investments at home. The hope must be that this investment will kick start the moribund economy.

The best reason that the Japanese gov. can come up with for capital repatriation, is that the investments abroad do
not perform as well as those at home. This is afterall ( other than a little diversification ) the only reason for the
capital to head offshore in the first place.

By engineering a rally in the Nikkei and a radical reversal of the Yen, they are causing a return flight of capital. It
would not be surprising to find them following the strategy of Yen printing once the capital flows have been
reversed and the Yen is soaring.

On a related topic, it is interesting to see that some are now begining to question the rate hikes in Mexico, as
counterproductive. Having seen the same strategy go down in flames in half a dozen countries over the last year
and change, and seeing the beginings of a failure in Mexico, the powers that be are at least scratching their
collective heads. Its a start.

What governments are starting to learn is that capital flows and herd mentality can run roughshod over any all
barriers put in place to stop them and any economic 'fundamentals' supposedly in place. If governments can can
begin thinking globally instead of locally, then there is a good chance that the recessionary impulses can be
brought under control. If not, its going to get very, very ugly indeed.

Go Yen, Go Gold

----------------------

D.A. ...not only is it possible that the Asians are orchestrating a potential sizable rally in their native markets...BUT wouldn't it be interesting if they are also helping to pump up a false rally here in America?

Why?

Because if they can add that extra amount of froth to the existent American bubble, then all they need to do is withdraw their capital at one fell swoop. Therein is the pin that would prick the American market's bubble! Scary thought.

As foreign capital races to escape the Wall Street debacle, it will look for somewhere else to park itself. If simultaneouly, the Asian markets are either steady or even strengthening, then foreign flight capital will race to Asia.

Would the Asians unite to do something like this? Search me.

Are they doing it? Good question.

But it's an interesting academic question , isn't it?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 22:13
TYoung (Those than will kill in the name of God...have been seen before...) ID#317193:
and, apparently, still exist...in the land of dreams! OUCH...again!

Tommy

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:52
farfel (@PH in LA...oops, just a little spelling error...) ID#17077:
...corrected: it's good to see YOU'RE BACK!

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:51
farfel (@PH in LA...good to see your back...) ID#17077:
...please continue your highly literate posts.

Thanks.

F*

P.S. As you know, immediately following my post here, you can expect that one of several Multiple Personality posters will repost my old parody of RJujube going beserk in which I launched a verbal missile at you.

Naturally, please ignore it since I believe you are one of the more interesting intellectuals at Kitco.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:46
farfel (@REALISTIC...concerning the bonds bubble...) ID#17077:
...as you are well aware, in any bubble market, it is often difficult to predict the precise point when the bubble will burst.

However, I do not regret going down on my knees and pleading with friends and relatives to avoid bonds several months back. They are sleeping much more peacefully now, I think.

As you are well aware, when a bubble bursts, it is an amazingly fast event. There never is enough time for the average investor to get out. NEVER.

All those jammed phone lines you know.

THanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:42
farfel (PALLADIUM QUESTIONS..oops, CORRECTION FROM 21:36 POST:) ID#17077:
Sorry for the lack of specificity.

Here it is:


However, again, if computer sales should continue their seemingly inexorable global tumble, then I WOULD expect Palladium to move within a narrow downward trending range of price. I think we have seen Palladium'
highs now.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:39
farfel (PALLADIUM QUESTIONS...CORRECTION...) ID#17077:


However, again, if computer sales should continue their seemingly inexorable global tumble, then I WOULD expect Palladium to move within a narrow downward trending range of price. I think we have seen Palladium' highs now.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:36
farfel (PALLADIUM QUESTIONS....I like Palladium too...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...as you know, Palladium is used in the manufacture of computer components.

I own a computer and I hope to buy an I-MAC for my wife in the not-too-distant future.

So, palladium has been very good to us. It is a wonderful metal and I cannot sing its praises enough. Don't ever suggest I am anti-palladium, no, not me!

However, again, if computer sales should continue their seemingly inexorable global tumble, then I would not expect Palladium to move within a narrow downward trending range of price. I think we have seen Palladium's highs now.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:34
Liberty (@ PH in L.A. ....Kicking a Man when he's down?) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
PH, I promsied not to dissect your tome, but indeed there IS one great mis-statement of fact in it, that is so grievelously incorrect, that I must respond.

You said;

Incidentally, looks like your pal Lurky has really found himself a true calling over here. He must feel real big now, kicking when he imagines that he sees a man down

The problem here should be obvious. That's the use of the word Man.... as far as kicking an *Fwipe when it's down...oh indeed, I consider it a calling all right, and one that will continue.

But I take exception to Man... I would never kick a Man when he's down. A coward maybe, a fraud perhaps, A purveyor of false and misleading information, yeah.....a pathalogically psychotic schizoid mental patient....maybe, an Delusional Wanna be cult Guru...I think so...but never a man.

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:28
Realistic (@Farfel Ref: The bond market) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
But even with today's drop, the bond market is still close to a full 9 points above the level of the beginning of March. We are talking about a major bull market that took off at around that time so when you went down on your knees to convince your friends not to put their money into the bond market by categorically predicting a bear market, did you convince some of them and if so, how are they reacting today looking at what they missed?

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:21
Liberty (@ Jujube) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
I agree completely with your 21:03. What worthier cause could a man die for than to defend truth against intellectual dishonesty? The little Emperor has no clothes. This should rightly be pointed out early and often.

In this way, we exercise the very important right of free speech in the way it was intended. The exposure of bankrupt , phony, hypocritical. single minded, psychotic, pathological, Dicatatorial Wanna Be's, with little knowledge, and even smaller amounts of integrity.

This free speech thing will prevent a Hitler wanna be, from ever coming to power in our glorious land. This free speech thing will expose even a smooth slippery worm like Clinton as the fraud he is, EVEN during times of prosperity!

I love this place! ( The U.S. AND the Kitco forum...though the first may outlast the latter! )

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:13
Liberty (@ PH in L.A.) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Wonderful words of wisdom, spoken as only a true Die Hard socialist Clinton apologist supporter can speak them. Anyone who can read the posts of today, and believe that anyone but *Fstain has taken a beating, is truly challenged. Disability benefits await you.

The one nugget of Gold in your lengthy piece, was that you now have done a 180 degree turn and are suddenly and inexplicably embracing free speech for the sake of In tellectual diversity.... Funny, I remember a couple weeks ago when you felt strongly that I shouldn't be allowed to post on K1 under a new handle...even though Bart had given his permission for me to do so. .

Oh well.... at least it's a small break away from fascist ideology and for this I applaud you. Oh...that and your sudden distancing of yourself from *Fspot now that you see how badly he's being exposed ( once again ) for the vacuous fraud that he is.

By the way, I'm still waiting for YOUR expert take on the markets. I posted mine over the weekend. I called for an UP week for the DOW, down for Gold, gave my reasons and rationale, leading with Greenspan among other things..... and indeed events are unfolding exactly as I anticipated.

But you...the defender of diversity of thought,...I have seacrhed so often in vain for your market philosophy, your prognostications, your strategy...things that many of us who you constantly insult, have been posting since we came to Kitco.

Perhaps you can lend us your expertise in these areas for all to see?

Now I won't bore you by correcting each and every ridiculous mis-statement in your lenghty, and lame post, but I would like to remind you of one little factoid.... RJ was ALSO published on Vronsky's site.... but that was in teh Good old days when that site still had a little credibility as putting some diverse views forth.....Now it's degenerated into a Flat Earth society hang out. Oh well.

Words have meaning PH. *Fwipe will always be held accountable for his.
But not be HIM of course. In this, he and your OTHER hero Clinton, are exactly alike. Perhaps this is why you love them both so....they do have similar patterns of behaviour when it comes to honesty, integrity, morals. The only difference being of course that Clitton at least has some intelligence.

Thanks for letting us know you're no longer *Fwipes ardent disciple. I'm sure this means you won't be his reposting Lacky any longer, nor his personal verbal bodygaurd since he can now Speak for himself in your view


*L


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 21:03
Jujube__A (A small man indeed) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Yes he is exposed as a phony. Now he is left to think what might have been had he not attacked everybody who had a different opinion. None of this would have ever come to pass. If only he wasn’t so hostile and insulting to so many people. If only he had not again and again - as recently as last week - personally attacked posters that have offered far more worth to Kitco that the F wimp could muster in a lifetime. If only he had not let his ego get away from him and his hubris run amuck, the world would not know what a fraud F*Puetz is, nor would he ( as I suspect the F spot himself is becoming dimly aware that he is full of crap and knows very little about anything ) .

Watch out for him now, this is when a beast is truly dangerous, after the mortal wound. He might call up the mob and have us hit. He is very good with the phone, or so I hear; even in contact with Bart to whine about this all being soooooo unfair. He cannot answer the most basic questions regarding platinum, yet he announces the definitive take on those markets.

One begins to wonder if he just makes it all up the same way. This has only just begun. I plan on being a pilot fish to this shark and will feed off the crumbs of his numerous mistakes. We cannot allow a new generation of readers to ever forget who and what this madman ( across the water ) is all about.

This is a holy and just cause. If I am Martyred, I predict others will rise to take my place, or Phoenix-like I will rise from my own ashes to once again soar above the clouds.

This is also as it should be….. And so it will be.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:54
PH in LA (RJ/Jujube and Farfel: A Status Report) ID#225408:
Copyright © 1998 PH in LA/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
RJ/Jujube:

Well, I'm baaaack! Got home from sailing out at Catalina last night and tried to skim through the posts of the past 5 days. Did catch your reply over on K-1 in which you declared yourself through with the Farfel-thing, asking me why don't I do the same.

I hereby agree to do what you seem reluctant to do. I will no longer disagree with you over Farfel, either. After all, he seems to be doing very well for himself. Seems like I heard somewhere that one of his essays ( that I believe I originally recognized and posted to K-1 ) was picked up by golden-eagle and published there. Congrats Farfel!

But it might be a mistake to imagine that my loss of interest in Farfel's cause ( that I consistently intended as a defense of intellectual diversity rather than a personal defense of Farfel himself ) implies that you have in any great way succeeded in supressing his voice. On the contrary. In my opinion, some of his jabs have wounded you rather badly, or perhaps it is only that you appear to have shot yourself in the foot. This can be seen, not so much from his gibes and epithets themselves, but rather in the threat you obviously feel from him, as well as the lengths you seem willing to go to extinguish him. This is probably more visible to one who reads through several days of postings ( such as after an absence ) than to the combatant, yourself.

You know, every time you repost his June 29 ravings, he seems to somehow grow in stature? You were advised many times ( by everyone from Disney to Aurator ) to let it go. But you knew better. Now you have built him up to guru status, with his own website ( this one ) and published articles on golden-eagle. Congratulations! Was that your purpose? I doubt it.

Furthermore, your claim that he is actually Puetz seems farfetched at best. Libelous at worst. ( At least to Puetz. ) But you probably think you know better about this too. It does make you seem to be slipping out of touch with reality, though and reinforces the impression that Farfel has somehow gained some illusion of victory. And speaking of buffoons, your silly parodies of his style make you look even more like an intellectual clown than you claim he seems to you.

Yes, I did enjoy the repost of your earlier writings very much. I'm sure that more of the same could easily land your writings at golden-eagle, too. But you seem to prefer wallowing about in the muck of your own memories. I guess you think you know better about that too.

In the end, one is left wondering why you have chosen to take this whole matter so seriously. Did Farfel's silly ravings and epithets, his delusions about the importance of his own writings, even his insults, really offend you so deeply? If so, there must certainly be more to this matter than meets the eye, even as he himself claims. However, with this post I no longer feel that it interests me enough to pursue it further.

Incidentally, looks like your pal Lurky has really found himself a true calling over here. He must feel real big now, kicking when he imagines that he sees a man down. Sort of like chickens, pecking at each other to establish their pecking order. Not a pretty sight, if you have ever witnessed it.

Oh well, he always did seem a little like chicken-sh*t, with all his different monikers ( LGB, Liberty, BUGal, etc. ) and his pseudo-attack, weak, fawning style; which is the same impression you are starting to give, too.

Too bad. Just when I was starting to like you.




Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:53
Liberty (BearX and S&P Puts) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
I see that the BearX fund lost 7% today..... and this on top of previous nasty losses it's taken since January. Puetz's S&P Puts must have performed exceptionally well....... ( I know *Fstain has nothing in ANY market, nor does he know anything about ANY market, so we politely won't mention how he's doing... )

Hmmm, I wonder if the folks who follow these Crash investment advisors over the past few years, are going to have more than 10 cents left in their investment accounts, for Puts and Gold once the crash really DOES come some day?

Thanks,

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:41
Liberty (@ Realistic....) ID#263379:
Did you realize that the DOW had the largest one day point gain in it's histpry today? A REAL Bull market would never have an UP day like this now would it?

Obviously, the market is crashing, beginning today, and many of us are just too dense to realize it.

Cheese/Puetz/*Fwipe et al's crash predictions for today, and thousand point loss of the DOW this week, are right on target, wouldn;'t you agree? Course that 1000 point loss will have to be a 1400 point loss now won't it?

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:38
Liberty (@ Jujube..... you don't think there's danger from FED's do you?) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
A frightening thought just ocurred to me. Didn't I read somewhere that Paranoid, psychotic, Sociopaths were being added to the Federal list of protected minorities?

If so, wouldn't *Fstain CERTAINLY qualify for minority status? As such, we could be guilty of Hate Speech if we wax critical of all his pathological, delusional ramblings could we not?

Just a frightening thought that ocurred to me.....


( But not quite as frightening as the knowledge that this *Fwipe actually has sheeplike followers out there who believe he actually knows something about markets!!! )
*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:33
Liberty (@ Jujube) ID#263379:
You may be right about Bill Clinton's spendings..uh I mean *Fwad. He may indeed think that the multiple posters who have a lick of intellectual integrity, are all going to see him for the fraud he is.

He probably doesn't have any idea just how many hundreds, if not thousands who read these forums, now realize what a transparently phony, Analyst pretender buffoon looks like, now that they've seen one up close.

he ought to be an exhibit in a zoo.... or a sideshow at the Circus where they show the amazing Freaks.

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:27
TYoung (The mind is a dark and dangerous place...don't go there alone those of you) ID#317193:
that live in dreams....ouch!!!!

Tommy

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:24
Jujube__A (F*Puetz) ID#252286:

Are you saying that you do not know the answers to the questions posed?

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:23
farfel (@REALISTIC...did you notice that...) ID#17077:
...bond prices fell sharply today?

All that money leaving the bond market was used to propel the DOW today.

A good bull would see both markets moving up together.

It's a bear.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:21
TYoung (In your dreams...and I think you live there...) ID#317193:
Tommy

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 20:20
farfel (RE: PLATINUM QUESTIONS....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...actually, I am a big fan of platinum. I bought my wife a plat/diamond bracelet for Valentine's day. She loved it.

That makes me a buyer of platinum, right?

I only wish platinum prices would soar skyward. My wife and I could make one helluva profit selling that plat bracelet someday. From the profits selling that thing, we could probably buy ourselves a little vacation cottage.

However, if the world economy continues to contract, then unfortunately such deflationary conditions would leave platinum confined to a narrow and down-trending price range over the next several years.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 19:43
Jujube__A (Tommy) ID#252286:


Pardon me, but I once edited an Air Force newspaper, your sentence that reads, Permission. Quite frankly, I am begining to think your all crazy Could probably be punched up just a bit and put more in character. Try:

Permishon. Quite franchkly, I am beginnin’ to think yer all craszy

This seems to suit the tone of your post more, don’t you think?

Just trying to be helpful.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 19:13
Realistic (@Farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
With the tremendous bull move that took place in the Bond market between March 3rd and today, do you have any comments as to how the friends that you begged not to invest in what turned out like an amazing safe heaven feel today?

Did you hear from them? If they listened, any news about how they feel about missing out such a huge move?

Thanks.

Date: Tue Mar 03 1998 22:03
farfel ( @DONALD...YOU SAY DEFLATION, FRIEDMAN SAYS INFLATION, AND I SAY... ) ID#28585:
NEO-STAGFLATION....

I warned many friends to avoid this Wall Street propagandistic manipulation...in fact, I went down on my knees with some of them and BEGGED THEM not to place any monies in bonds. I categorically predicted the current bearish scenario now unfolding in the bond market; it will only exacerbate as the TORRENT of newly printed money ( printed in the aftermath of the October crash in order to maintain liquidity ) begins to hammer bonds even further over the short-term

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 19:10
Jujube__A (LGB) ID#252286:

F*wad already thinks I am every poster who ever pointed out what a fool he is. You keep this up and he will think you are me, or maybe even that I am you, or maybe we are both farfel.

Thanks

*.*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 19:05
Jujube__A (Tommy) ID#252286:
By your own words

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 19:00
Jujube__A (O) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

I forgot:

F*Puetz does have a third way out of the dilemma, do what he always does:

He waits for somebody else to give the answer, and then claims to have known it all the time. We have seen this pre-pubescent ploy in the works just a couple days ago on the LIMIT UP thing, so it is all fresh in our minds.

That is why I asked a question or two that cannot be found on K1, but a man that can define a market should have no worries ( or should I say, know worries ) about answering some questions that are basic and fundamental to the argument he put forth.

They will not bail you out this time.

You are proven a fool again, but guess what?

We knew it all the time!

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:55
TYoung (Did someone call for one of the drunks...if so just thought I check in...w/out ) ID#317193:
Permission. Quite frankly, I am begining to think your all crazy.

PS...internet stocks with well placed stops...shhhhhh don't tell anyone.

The difference between today and last monday? None...got to tell you something. UP...DOWN...UP...DOWN...the last wave will get ya!

Tom

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:53
LGB (@ Seriously) ID#269409:
the REAL reason for today's market activity, has nothing whatever to do with Allan Greenspan's comments.

The REAL reasons are twfold. They are known as the;

1 ) Puetz Lunar contrary indicator effect and..

2 ) McGuire Home run analogous to DOW direction effect

This is known as serious TA. Not not T & A, TA!

Thanks,

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:47
LGB (@ Jujube......*Fwipe's brilliant Pegasus call) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Now that's not fair Juju.... Pegasus after all is at .03 cents currently, that's true, down 99% or so from the time of *Fwipes recommendation...

But remember, according to *Fwipe logic rapidly rising markets obviously portend an imminent crash. This we can assume that the inverse is also true.

A stock which falls sharply, losing 99% or more of it's value, must be doing so in preparation for a huge increase, yes? Buy bankrupt Pegasus.....all you *Fwipe disciples. It'll make yer fortune..uh huh, especially if you bought it when *Fwipe was recommending it.....when it was 100 times the market price that it is now.......

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:38
LGB (Greenspan between a rock and a hard place.....) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:50
*Fwipe ( GREENSPAN...between a rock and a hard place... ) ID#17077:
...if he lowers rates, he kills the bond market through fears of impending inflation. Lower rates portend a weaker US buck, thereby inspiring foreign capital to flee.

Uh huh, that foreign capital will flee immediately to the Ruble...uf no I mean the Rupee, uh no I mean the Yen...., wait the ... no wait uh the new Euro cause those socialist countires are so good at unity and getting along...uh I mean uh.......


*Fwipe...Not good in the long-term for either bond or stock markets. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm? Thanks.

Yes that's right, lower interest rates have always historically caused a collapse in the stock market...lower rates are also terrible for the economy during preiods of slowing economic activity. Let me just check here on my database to verify all the times lowering rates has caused a meltdown in stocks.......uh .....well...uhhh.....Never mind!

F*Wipe

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:24
Jujube__A (And the nose goes UP) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

When faced with his own lies, misinformation, and cowardice, he does what he always does, he panders to the crowd. They have seen this brown nosed act too many times to want to see much more of it now. All people really remember is the fool who shouts out all the wrong answers.

Next he will be spouting poetry about dead grandmothers. The man has no shame as he has no backbone. I am on a Jihad. The good Lord saved me for a purpose, this must be it, can’t see much else in Iowa that needs doing.

Hey, F spot! This is K2. Bart separated the forums and threw you off K1 for a reason, you twit. K1 needs sane people, that is why you are on K2 which, by the way, is not your personal domain to hold forth in regal style and defacto post on K1 through drunks and lackeys. You enlist your minions and I’ll enlist mine. I suspect your minions number in the tens, while mine are in the thousands. Yours have no money because of the brainless way they followed your lame calls like Pegasus. Metals may go down, but they never go to nothing like Pegasus did, do they?

My own minions just like the sound of a good Jihad, been awhile since they had one of those.

PS
JTF holds you in sorrowful contempt. He is a thinker. He likes to figure out the workings of a thing, he is a physicist, after all. He is at a loss to figure out how you can occasionally sound so rational, and be a complete kook. Sticking your nose up that rear will not bail you out of your sinking boat, sonny.

blub blub blub

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:17
LGB (@ *Fwipe... Your brilliant market insight) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
*Fwipe....I read this brilliant insight of yours re market movements, and now the full impact of it's implications are finally dawning on me.

You said;

but isn't a market that starts to swing like this a market that's ramping up for a crash? I'm afraid so. Thanks.....*Fwipe

Mr. *Fwipe, In view of your above statement, can I safely assume that when the Gold market finally starts making a Swing sharply upward, that it's ramping up for a crash? You know, when it get's Squeezed and goes Limit up should I sell immediately in anticipation of a crash? Inquiring minds need your valuable expertise in these volatile markets.

Thanks in advance,

*L


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 18:06
Jujube__A (The worth of a man is calculated by how he acts when faced with honesty) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

F*Puetz, you are a coward. You will not answer because you do not know. You are not man enough to admit you are full of it. That is a coward in any book I ever read.

You have no credibility.
You are a coward and a buffoon.
You cry to mommy to stop legitimate questions about the claptrap you post.
You are the absolute worst example of what you endlessly complain about.

I think it may be time to dig in the Kitco archives to show how you rail against liars and cheats and the misinformation specialists. Yet here you are acting in the very way you claim to hold in contempt. This is an interesting development. We will explore your lies and lack of backbone further.

Or you can be a man and answer simple questions about a compelling categorical statement you made about PGMs.

Pull down that skirt son, you’re in public.

You are a coward ( ooooops I already said that )

Answer the questions or face the tumult

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:58
farfel (@K-2....for those who missed this post on K-1...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
It's a good one!

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:47
JTF ( More from Matt Drudge ) ID#254321:
Copyright © 1998 JTF/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
All: K Starr to cite 'executive privledge' requests as abuse of power, as well as the use of WJC's federally
employed lawyers for personal needs.

Also, the KS team is going through the Nixon records for impeachable offenses.

According to M Drudge, the Starr report is going to Congress in the next few days. Could be devastating to the
equity markets if KS has anything significant. Security must have been tight if WJC's lawyers are asking for a
preview on the Monica part before it goes to congress. I'll bet KStarr had a good laugh about that one. Recently
KS looks alot happier than WJC.

http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm

My guess is that gold equities will get another pounding if the WJC business makes the markets take it on the chin,
offering an opportunity for purchase of some gold equities. Unfortunately, one must be nimble in these markets,
so I don't think it is worthwhile to 'shoot your wad' in precious metals equities quite yet. Gold bullion needs to
confirm the gold equities rally -- probably would happen if WJC is likely to be impeached.

The irony of the impeachment proceeding is that a large portion of the process is a popularity contest. The Dems
are moving away from WJC, and once it is clear that the polls are revealing his popularity is heading south, the
feeding frenzy will begin. Kenneth Starr has played the media almost as well as if he had access to WJC's spin
team, IMHO.

Probably the only thing that would save WJC at this point is a persistent market rally. Pretty unlikely --.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:53
LGB (@ Look at the brilliance of this inquiry !!) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
but isn't a market that starts to swing like this a market that's ramping up for a crash? I'm afraid so. Thanks..... *Fwipe

Yes *Fwipe...obviously a market that moves sharply higher is doing so in anticipation of an imminent crash. This has held true for every sharp uptick in the DOW from 777 roughly 2 decades ago, until today hasn't it?

All those sharp upticks resulting in... uhhhh....a thousand percent plus gain?

Oooops...oh well, the crash WILL come eventually...Puetz, Chessedi**, and *Fspot promise it will! Really! Honestly! This week! Today! Right after the Lunar events of the weekend! Uhhuh...just like before.......

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:50
farfel (GREENSPAN...between a rock and a hard place...) ID#17077:
...if he lowers rates, he kills the bond market through fears of impending inflation.

Lower rates portend a weaker US buck, thereby inspiring foreign capital to flee.

Not good in the long-term for either bond or stock markets.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:45
Jujube__A (F*Puetz) ID#252286:

Oldman will not talk to you
He does not suffer fools lightly

( besides he shorts gold - just like you do )

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:43
LGB (@ *Fwipe ..... Wrong Elton John tune ) ID#269409:
I know you get confused easily.... so it stands to reason you got your Elton John songs mixed up.

The one that applies to you is MadMan Across the Water

Thanks,

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:41
farfel (@EJ...yes, unfortunately for all concerned, I think so....) ID#17077:
Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:30
EJ ( Maybe I'm missing something ) ID#229207:
Copyright © 1998 EJ/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
but isn't a market that starts to swing like this a market that's ramping up for a crash?

I'm afraid so.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:41
Jujube__A (A repost and then some) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Doesn’t look like F*Puetz got the last one since he still has no answers.

I would never dream of re-posting something this many times unless it served a purpose. So far F*Puetz has posted his irrational take on PGMs a half dozen times, but still no answers to the most basic questions about the foundation of that post. Silly lines about sun and shade will not suffice. He will answer these questions, admit he does not know, or be faced with the same questions forever, and ever, and ever….. ( Jack Nicholson in The Shining again )

So again we ask:

He speaks of platinum and palladium
But nary a word on vanadium or radium
Still today, the questions linger
But F*Puetz gives all the finger
What he doesn’t know, could fill a stadium

( If you think limericks are easy, this one used all the rhymes for palladium in the entire English language! The vanadium was superfluous, but gotta’ go for them all……right? Thank you, Thank You…. Next post… I will find a rhyme for Orange )


F*Puetz wrote:

In order to get American auto sales going again, then one way of cutting the cost of a car would be recision of the laws that compel a catalytic converter from being part of it.

I asked the below questions regarding his post. He has dodged these questions and cried to Bart. If he cannot answer the most fundamental questions regarding his remarkable leap: that governments would do away with catalytic converter requirements, how are we to believe anything he says?

Do away with auto catalysts: How would this be done? If there are international treaties standing in the way of repealing these laws, this would be a good thing to know when considering whether this outrageous proposition holds water, would it not? If there are laws on the books preventing these other laws from being repealed, these would have to be changed also, would they not? So many questions are raised by F*Puetz’s PGM post. He can answer none of them. He just re-posts the same thing again and again as if, absent any facts at all, wishing would make it so.

This is the guy who complains that all sorts of folks are out to screw people over. Yet this worm, because he has an irrational hatred towards, and an obsession with RJ, has now started another misinformation campaign. Like Pegasus before, this cold hearted manipulator peppers this sight with lies and deliberate distortions to further his own agenda. We’ve seen his type before, Buy gold now, while he is placing new shorts. Probably took a couple of short contracts in platinum and is now trying to talk it down. Just like his heroin Hillary Clinton and her short pharmaceuticals when she was bashing the drug companies over costs. Now, I could be wrong, but I seem to remember F*Puetz stating CATEGORICALLY ( LOVE that world Fspot, THANKS! ) that he believes that Clinton is the finest president since Lincoln and that he has a thing for Hillary ( But don’t tell his beautiful wife! ) because she just really gets his motor going.

He might have gotten away with his deliberate misinformation campaign, were it not for the way he makes the most fundamental mistakes, and offers no facts to back up his assertion. Thank the Good Lord I am still allowed to exercise my free speech rights and expose this liar and cheat amidst all the smoke and noise and compelling tumult. This slug is nothing but a propagandist and, in the worst sick and twisted style of Joseph Goebbles, F*Puetz has mastered the art of the Big Lie.

So the questions still remain:

How much platinum or palladium goes into an automobile? What percentage reduction of the total car price will the cessation of use of platinum and palladium bring? What are the alternatives? What are your sources for this information? What would changing these laws entail? How must congress act to repeal these laws? At what point do you see these laws being changed?

I only ask these questions because you offered your definitive views on Plat and Palladium to someone here earlier. Since definitive is defined by being the defining nature of that which is being defined, your claim is that you yourself have defined this market. If we are to take your definitive definition, could you please offer some facts to lend support for your views on these metals? I am very eager to learn more. If you do not have the answers to these questions, could you please state publicly that you have trouble with the definition of definitive?

Thanks

J*

PS
You think catalytic converters would go before air bags, sunroofs, stereos, spare tires, or even leather interiors ( the only way to go ) ? I would love to learn how you came to this conclusion? Your leap to the abolition of platinum and palladium from the auto manufacturing process is a stunning feat indeed and seems to be emotionally made. RJ likes platinum. You are obsessed with RJ. You can’t stop talking about him. You now have embarked on another misinformation campaign to dissuade people from looking at platinum. You give bad information, with no facts to back it up, information that people may act on ( like Pegasus ) all because you hate RJ?. This is not responsible. Unless, of course, you do have the answers to these questions. Then I retract this entire post and will make you godfather of my beautiful daughter born by my beautiful wife.

Or will you dodge these like you dodge all the other questions when you are in over your head? If you don’t have the answers to these, please let me know, I have about 20 more brought up by the post you made. I am very interested to learn, as I keep saying.


Thanks Again

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:37
farfel (@LGBUGal...you know what I think, kind sir....) ID#17077:
...I'M STILL STANDING BETTER THAN I EVER DID BEFORE!

( Elton John )

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:34
farfel (@OLDMAN...TODAY's 380 uptick: in my estimation...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...the real problem for an ensuing sustained Bull rise in the general equities market is this: last Monday's dump did not represent a real genuine fear sell-off.

As described by various market analysts, the sell-off was orderly and controlled...and when various media outlets interviewed people on the street that very same day, the majority revealed the same old complacency that is the hallmark of this Ninetie's Bull.

Until we see real fear in a Bull's eyes, then we have not hit bottom. Today was an engineered sucker's rally IMHO.

So, again, I suggest your initial gut feelings about this market are correct. Today's action appears to be a short-term professional move...a combination of the TIME magazine contrarian effect with the anti-Puetz crash call reaction.

What do you think?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:28
LGB (@ *Fstain) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Incidentally...in case you havn't noticed, or are too dense to notice, calling me LGBugal is redundant.

Here, I'll do this slowly for your benefit. Take the letters LGB, split them apart with the elemental letters for Gold, you know, AU.....

( See ...we have LaGuB so far do we not, or neurologically challenged one ) ...

and then read it in the mirror...

It was created in deference to the conspiracy, hidden message, McCartny is dead, Black chopper anti everything types over on K1.

Well.... that and because I like to BUG ALL at times by rendering the ocassional annoying reality check to those who dwell in perpetual fantasy land.

Folks who like to make up reality as they go along...off the top o'their heads and in blatant disregard of anything truthful, honest, or factual...... ( so they can move markets by sheer will of their mighty Ego cuasing New Paradigms and all.... ) You know the kind of folk I refer to......

Disresepectfully,

Bugal OR LGB...
I believe in liberty....
I believe in speech that's free.....
Not in *Fdorks with the brains of a tree.....


( with aplogies to RJ, chief of bad limerick police.... )

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:16
LGB (@ K1...the sun is shining brightly today.........) ID#269409:
....because *Fwipe can post no unsubstantiated lies and nonsense there

Today, we stand in shadows and yet...

...the sun will shine brightly upon us tomorrow.

.... when *Fwipe is once again locked up in the State home

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:11
LGB (@ *FspotWipeStainBlobExcretionDisease) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Don't you ever get tired of being right all the time? You and Pitz? First you once again incorrectly state that Realistic never gives a take on the markets...wrong like all your OTHER 9,999 X 10 to the 7oth power, SHoot for the hip nonsense....

THEN, you accuse me of making silver to the Moon by now predictions...also dead wrong since I am bullish LONG term on silver, out to late 99 and beyond. I don't/won't make stupid short term silver predictions, because I'm not an expert or short term trader.

For good short term analysis, those who value accuracy, intellect, judgement, and mastery of what's happening in the marketplace, would best be served by reading RJ..... the person with the BEST record on Gold calls over on K1.

Perhaps if you'd put your delusional, messianic, desperate to be revered pathology aside for a moment, and go read some historic RJ posts, instead of wasting time arguing here with Jujube..... even YOU might be able to learn something about metals and markets.

Doubtful...but maybe....just maybe........possibly......

Nahhhhhhhh

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:09
farfel (@K-1...the sun is shining brightly today....) ID#17077:
...and casts shadows hither and thither.

Today, we stand in shadows and yet...

...the sun will shine brightly upon us tomorrow.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:04
Realistic (Silver double-digits) ID#410194:
Farfel,

Don't forget to tell us why is it that Silver never reached the double-digits like it was supposed to by Summer's arrival. ( Review today's message of 16:23.

Thanks.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 17:00
Realistic (@Farfel) ID#410194:
Thank you! ( I'm so proud )

All right, on to the next subject: The Gold short squeeze?

Naaah.... a bit later.

We'll cover some other stuff first. Ok?

Ok!

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:55
farfel (@REALISTIC...well, congratulations, REALISTIC ARMSTRONG....) ID#17077:
...you deserve a pat on your back for that silver call.

You're a good boy, aren't you! You're a good boy!

( tugs ears, real cute-like )

Thanks

F*


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:50
Realistic (@Farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You're right, I'm not making too many predictions but not because I'm shy, ( I am shy ) but because I want to be sure of what I'm talking about when I point something out about what could happen in a market.

And speaking of Silver, look at what a shy guy sent out less than 2 hours after the highest price of Silver has been recorded on tape in all of 1998. It was the high of the year so far!

( Do you read all messages or only those that fit your thinking? )

P.S.: I'm shy and also very curious and I think all have some questions about the Gold short squeeze in the future... we never know enough!
Date: Thu Feb 05 1998 09:35
Realistic ( A word of caution ) ID#410194:
Most people will probably disregard this message but...

The Silver buying frenzy that took place in the last minutes of trading in the London market this morning reached epic proportions.

The euphoria reached panick buying where emotions were flying high as a result of the extreme mediatization of the Silver situation over the last few days.

Short term traders should now be even more careful and those who have not boarded this train several months ago should try to analyze the situation very objectively.

Listen around, Silver has all of a sudden became a sure thing.

By looking back to history, the sure thing trades mostly always turn against the ones who got aboard late!

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:36
Jujube__A (Oh, but F*Puetz) ID#252286:

Correction, Realistic is not good at pointing out mistakes, he is GREAT at it.

It is an art, and we have an artist at work here. proper tone, dead eye aim, if the targets weren’t so damn big, I would swear he is a master marksman too.

So F*Puetz, got any answers, or are you full of it?

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:32
Jujube__A (Call to Arms) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

If I become Missing in Action because of F*Puetz's whining to Bart, I put out the call now for others to follow and persist until they get these questions answered, or F*Puetz admits he doesn't know what he is talking about. I call upon any and all posters to join this Jihad against the K2 Manipulator. Pick up the sword if I should fall and die the noble death. I was once very close to death after a self inflicted gunshot to the head, but Grizz and Squirrel and some others came to my aid and nursed me back to health. I can only believe that the Good Lord has a higher purpose in mind for me and that I am fulfilling this Holy Purpose. Don’t let the F*Puetz’s of the world kill free speech! Unite and hold this little gerbil’s feet to the fire. Expose him for what he is.

Carry the torch should I fall
And bless you one and all

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:31
farfel (@REALISTIC...you should probably ask LGBugal....) ID#17077:
...about silver.

He's the indisputable expert ( suppresses a chuckle ) . I think he said something about silver going to the moon about this time.

Incidentally, I look forward to seeing one of your prognostications someday.

You're good at pointing out the mistakes in various Kitcoite's prognostications...but never make any of your own predictions.

Too timid maybe.

Oh, well.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:26
farfel (@OLDMAN...take a good look at the comparative volumes....) ID#17077:
...of today's upside move versus last Monday's downside move.

I would say we are still in a Bear, experiencing increasing volatility as we wind toward some kind of approaching climax.

It's interesting to note that, in the face of such a hefty point move, the internals were still not altogether bright.

Send us your thoughts.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:23
Realistic (@Farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Summer is now pretty much over and Silver is quite far from being in double digits. The top was in by March 2nd it's not even at $5 right now.

Do you think it's because of the Gold short squeeze that never materialized or is it due to any other reasons?

Thanks.

Date: Mon Mar 02 1998 01:54
farfel ( PRAGMATIC THOUGHTS ON SILVER... ) ID#28585:
Silver...the recent, huge advance in silver leaves many doubters expecting the top is now in. Skeptics such as Martin Armstrong note that backwardation in the metal is the sure indicator that bullish mania has gone beyond sustainability and the metal is ready to tumble. Yet, silver is a very unique commodity in a very unique time in our history. At this point, it has far more positives than negatives. Despite this fact, it will remain highly volatile on its way toward its double digit destiny by Summer's arrival.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:18
farfel (REPOST...for those who missed it...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:29
farfel ( @ALL...I want to also thank those great Kitcoites... ) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...who have urged me to avoid responding to various posters on this forum who can only speak in epithets and threats.

Unfortunately, the discourse of intimidation may prove to be a harbinger of things to come in this great country.
Should the equities market bubble pop, those who are injured inevitably will seek out scapegoats rather than accepting the responsibility of their own bad judgement...their own basic inability to read the changing of the tide.
Most likely, the injured parties will declare that the scapegoats are those who perceived the new unfolding global paradigm and revealed it to the world at large.

Nevertheless, some of the key injured accusers may have their own special music to face someday in terms of their role in expediting the perpetuation of mass Bull hysteria.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:10
Jujube__A (Questions Still Unanswered) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

He speaks of platinum and palladium
But nary a word on vanadium or radium
Still today, the questions linger
But F*Puetz gives all the finger
What he doesn’t know, could fill a stadium

( If you think limericks are easy, this one used all the rhymes for palladium in the entire English language! The vanadium was superfluous, but gotta’ go for them all……right? Thank you, Thank You…. Next post… I will find a rhyme for Orange )


F*Puetz wrote:

In order to get American auto sales going again, then one way of cutting the cost of a car would be recision of the laws that compel a catalytic converter from being part of it.

I asked the below questions regarding his post. He has dodged these questions and cried to Bart. If he cannot answer the most fundamental questions regarding his remarkable leap: that governments would do away with catalytic converter requirements, how are we to believe anything he says?

Do away with auto catalysts: How would this be done? If there are international treaties standing in the way of repealing these laws, this would be a good thing to know when considering whether this outrageous proposition holds water, would it not? If there are laws on the books preventing these other laws from being repealed, these would have to be changed also, would they not? So many questions are raised by F*Puetz’s PGM post. He can answer none of them. He just re-posts the same thing again and again as if, absent any facts at all, wishing would make it so.

This is the guy who complains that all sorts of folks are out to screw people over. Yet this worm, because he has an irrational hatred towards, and an obsession with RJ, has now started another misinformation campaign. Like Pegasus before, this cold hearted manipulator peppers this sight with lies and deliberate distortions to further his own agenda. We’ve seen his type before, Buy gold now, while he is placing new shorts. Probably took a couple of short contracts in platinum and is now trying to talk it down. Just like his heroin Hillary Clinton and her short pharmaceuticals when she was bashing the drug companies over costs. Now, I could be wrong, but I seem to remember F*Puetz stating CATEGORICALLY ( LOVE that world Fspot, THANKS! ) that he believes that Clinton is the finest president since Lincoln and that he has a thing for Hillary ( But don’t tell his beautiful wife! ) because she just really gets his motor going.

He might have gotten away with his deliberate misinformation campaign, were it not for the way he makes the most fundamental mistakes, and offers no facts to back up his assertion. Thank the Good Lord I am still allowed to exercise my free speech rights and expose this liar and cheat amidst all the smoke and noise and compelling tumult. This slug is nothing but a propagandist and, in the worst sick and twisted style of Joseph Goebbles, F*Puetz has mastered the art of the Big Lie.

So the questions still remain:

How much platinum or palladium goes into an automobile? What percentage reduction of the total car price will the cessation of use of platinum and palladium bring? What are the alternatives? What are your sources for this information? What would changing these laws entail? How must congress act to repeal these laws? At what point do you see these laws being changed?

I only ask these questions because you offered your definitive views on Plat and Palladium to someone here earlier. Since definitive is defined by being the defining nature of that which is being defined, your claim is that you yourself have defined this market. If we are to take your definitive definition, could you please offer some facts to lend support for your views on these metals? I am very eager to learn more. If you do not have the answers to these questions, could you please state publicly that you have trouble with the definition of definitive?

Thanks

J*

PS
You think catalytic converters would go before air bags, sunroofs, stereos, spare tires, or even leather interiors ( the only way to go ) ? I would love to learn how you came to this conclusion? Your leap to the abolition of platinum and palladium from the auto manufacturing process is a stunning feat indeed and seems to be emotionally made. RJ likes platinum. You are obsessed with RJ. You can’t stop talking about him. You now have embarked on another misinformation campaign to dissuade people from looking at platinum. You give bad information, with no facts to back it up, information that people may act on ( like Pegasus ) all because you hate RJ?. This is not responsible. Unless, of course, you do have the answers to these questions. Then I retract this entire post and will make you godfather of my beautiful daughter born by my beautiful wife.

Or will you dodge these like you dodge all the other questions when you are in over your head? If you don’t have the answers to these, please let me know, I have about 20 more brought up by the post you made. I am very interested to learn, as I keep saying.


Thanks Again

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 16:01
LGB (@ 2BRO2B) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You said;


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:30 2BR02B? ( the goat buffet ) ID#266105:
The old k2 would be an improvement.

You mean the one where no one posted and we got a blank screen 2BRO? I agree with you, that WOULD be an improvement over the return of the
*Fwipe....said return necessitating these Keeping the record straight posts.

However, I'm sure in due time, the folks from the Asylum will reclaim their lost and wayword charges...and we once agin will be spared from the necessity of posting these Reality Checks

PS:

Look at that INCREDIBLE weakness in the DOW. Less than a billion shares volume and only the BIGGEST point gain in history! Man, if that doesn't prove that today is Crash day I don't know what does!!!!!

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:55
LGB (@ DOW ,,,crashes UP to biggest one day gain EVER!) ID#269409:
Wow, the last time this happened, as I recall, was the last time Puetz predicted an Eclipse based equities crash.

Thanks, thanks, and double thanks, for your call of a Crash on the first trading week after the Eclipse call Puetz!!!

As I said Saturday, and Sunday, the DOW will indeed end the week substantially higher than it began. And of course...while we will see continued volatility, no crash is in sight anytime in the near future.

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:54
farfel (Hmmmm....volume only 790,000,000 on this radical upside move?) ID#17077:
Puetz...this week, I think you may have finally have your day in the sun.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:48
LGB (@ Puetz...although I have thought you were a touch too radical..) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...with respect to your past prognostications....nevertheless...witnessing today's amazing bull mania ( on the sole basis of a possible rate cut that has been factored into the market for some time -- all in the face the strongest and healthiest economy in the world, and the greatest sustained period of economic prosperity ever witnessed ) ....and judging by the over-the-top, frothing posts of our favorite Bill Cinton imitator

...then I must thank you ...for your call that we crash this week.


You see, though I had concerns about the bearish activity of late, and had pulled my discretionary and open 401K funds out of mutuals and into cash.... there still remains a sizeable portion of House money, i.e. complany 401K matching contributions which are put into Loral stock, and can not be moved. I became concerned about losses, as I saw the value of this stock drop perilously close to the average Buy price last week....but then you SAVED me from said losses with your Eclipse / Full Moon crash scenario for today and the rest of this week and next.

Thanks to your continuingly flawless bad calls, and PERFECT record of contrary indications during Full Moons and Eclipses, my company stock is up 18% today last time I checked and will no doubt soar To the Moon.

Once again, you've helped protect my net worth considerably with your recent calls for a crashin U.S. markets, which was to begin in earnest today.

Thank Puetz!

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:35
farfel (@PUETZ...although I have thought you were a touch too radical....) ID#17077:
...with respect to your past rognostications....nevertheless...witnessing today's amazing bull mania ( on the sole basis of a possible rate cut that has been factored into the market for some time -- all in the face of the most voracious global economic contagion ever witnessed ) ....and judging by the over-the-top, frothing posts of our favorite gold police...

...then I must agree with you ...I think we crash this week.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:30
2BR02B? (the goat buffet) ID#266105:

The old k2 would be an improvement.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 15:18
LGB (@ Stock Tip) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
I see Gold isn't fairing all that well today, and especially Gold stocks. Now I did mention that this would happen over the weekend so I hope you all sold the open. After all, I'd hate to see the XAU go LIMIT DOWN and investors get caught unawares.

Now for a little stock tip. I know a great company who's stock is up 18% today! Yep, the very one I work for. Loral. The stock was grossly oversold last week, and is rebounding like mad. And tomorrow we have a big launch.... Globalstar....going up on a Russian Zenit from Baikinor.

Will it blow up, or will it fly? Roll the dice, if it goes up, the stock will soar with it. If Golbalstar succeeds, the stock will be earning about $5.00 per share by 2001, making a reasonable valuation $100 to $200!! ( Oops, I forgot, we'll all be dead in 2001 due to Y2K except for the Gold & Gun bugs who will be happily, and enthusiastically blowing away their friends and neighbors to defend their homesteads from hungry cold party crashers! )

Naturally, we at Loral hedged our bets by giving Russia all our military secrets and.... Oops...almost forgot, we're not IN the launch vehicle or military business nor has Space Systems Loral ever been.

Hmmm, and our domestic launch vehicles bulit by McDonald Dougles / Lockheed / Boeing are blowing up right and left even when sending up sensitive, 1 biillion dollar military satellites...and we send cruise missiles over Sudan, that land unexploded to be scrutinized in detail by our enemies, ...all to divert attention from Bill C's many habitual lies...and......well, maybe we ain't such traitors after all.

Oh well, you pays yer money and takes yer chances......

I'll leave the forum now, and give the floor back to the disingenuous one of all time, that soul brother of Bill Clinton who thinks the same way, the *Fwipe. Didn't want to leave without a positive market tip though!

*L


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:44
LGB (@ ALL.... I want to also thank those great Kitcoites....)) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...who can recognize a load of self serving crap from a phony when they see it, and still appreciate truth, honesty, facts, reality, clear concise critique, and especially FREE speech for refuting the nonsense of fools.

Unfortunately, the discourse of intimidation and psychotic meltdown, by a certain *Fspot who fancies himself as a self appointed Guru of mind bending who should never be questioned by facts ......may prove to be a harbinger of things to come in this great country.

Should the equities market go up 1000% in value in 2 decades, while Gold loses 96% of it's inflation adjusted value by comparison, those GoldBugs who are injured inevitably will seek out scapegoats rather than accepting the responsibility of their own bad judgement...their own basic inability to read the changing of the tide.

Most likely, the injured parties will declare that the scapegoats are those who manipulated into being, the new unfolding global paradigm for their own wealth and amusement, as poor misguided folks who look to the Moon and conspiracies for investment decisions lose their Ass.

Nevertheless, some of the key injured accusers like *Fwipe and Puetz, may have their own special music to face someday in terms of their role in exploiting the blissful sheeplike lemmings among the GoldBug camp ( a minority thanfully ) , who are willing to ignore rational evidence, history, factual data, good market analysts with strong track records, imperical evidence, and even common sense.....with the perpetuation of mass Gloom and Doom hysteria about the U.S. economy....all to sell newsletters and stroke dysfucntional mental abilities resulting in schizoid psychotic ego centered public breakdowns.

Thanks.

L*


Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:34
LGB (@ ALL....... Thanks for valuing free speech) ID#269409:
. ...applauding the stand sme of us need to take in order to expose liars, frauds, charlatans, Egotists, fascists, traitors, and Orwellian doublethink.

As the Beatles would say,

You say you want a revolution, we...ell you know!
we all want to change your head.

You say you'll change the constitution, we..ell you know,
you better change your mind inctead.



Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:29
farfel (@ALL...I want to also thank those great Kitcoites...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...who have urged me to avoid responding to various posters on this forum who can only speak in epithets and threats.

Unfortunately, the discourse of intimidation may prove to be a harbinger of things to come in this great country. Should the equities market bubble pop, those who are injured inevitably will seek out scapegoats rather than accepting the responsibility of their own bad judgement...their own basic inability to read the changing of the tide. Most likely, the injured parties will declare that the scapegoats are those who perceived the new unfolding global paradigm and revealed it to the world at large.

Nevertheless, some of the key injured accusers may have their own special music to face someday in terms of their role in expediting the perpetuation of mass Bull hysteria.

Thanks.

F*


Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:28
LGB (Final Bear trap before Bull resumes?) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
....the most interesting thing about today's action in the general equities markets is the essential absence of any earth-shattering news supporting the recent Bearish Full Moon, Eclispe hysteria today.

A rate cut has been expected for some time ( except by *Fwipe ) and is likely factored into the markets.

Ironically, the one left-field event ( Greenspan's Friday admission that America will NOT avoid the global economic contagion ) is completely factored in today's action.

So, I would imagine that a refocus upon Greenspan's Friday capitulation to global economic realities, and the additional facts that the U.S. has the strongest, healthiest economy in the world, which Grenspan is willing to support with a rate cut if necessary will occur as early as TODAY, cuasing the markets to soar as I predicted they would last week, and this past weekend. ( For which I of course credit Puetz and his Crash post eclispe call )

Thanks.

L*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:23
LGB (NEWPOST...Some good ideas on Platinum & Palladium) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
There is no populist perception that Platinum and Palladium has any substantive above ground stockpiles in CB's or elsewhere, nor any reliable production capacity that will always meet supply demands.

In fact. a local coin dealer told me yesterday, that ALL the U.S. mint Platinum Eagle proofs had been a total sell out, something which has NEVER happened with the Gold American Eagle Proofs. Furthermore, the 1997 BU Platinum BULLION coins, now carry a hefty premium due to collector demand...again something that has NEVER happened with the modern GOLD AE program.

In a deflationary crash, all inflation hedge commodities including Gold, will suffer huge declines in value, yet Platinum, Palladium, and Silver will still be required for industrial use ( albeit at reduced levels ) , and yet STILL also retain their precious metal valuation. In a real world breakdown such as we see ocurring in Russia, Platinum and Palladium production could be cut to levels far below indistrial consumption, even at these reduced rates of consumption.

If you fear a total delfationary collapse, you'd best consider selling Gold and silver coin, and consider difersification into Platinum.

*L

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:12
farfel (@ALL...thanks for your various posts I've received....) ID#17077:
...applauding the stand I am taking here on K-2.

As Elton John would say,

I'M STILL STANDING BETTER THAN I EVER DID BEFORE!

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:10
LGB (*Fwipe focuses on his own vacuous Egotist fluff......) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
and bypasses answering any questions about his previous overwhelmingly bad calls and market knowledge commentary.

In 1998, *Fspot's most astounding notable comments, concerned supposed Gold SQueeze's, Limit Up days ( Whatever that means ) , perpetual DOW crashes, misinformation about metals market activity, blatantly manufactured nonsense with no support from factual data, parroted nonsense from other quarters which he claims as his own, Cowardly unprovoked pejorative attacks on K1 posters with which he doesn't agree, whining schizophrenic flip flops and crying to mama, and some bizarre ego driven idea that he can personally move markets with some Pair o' dimes that he has in his pocket.

Yet in the nature of true *Fwipe spin, his focus today is in once again attempting to be taken seriously after all his previous nonsense and the complete destruction of any credibility.

We are truly in a Bear market when it comes to measuring the Credibility index of the *Fwipe. Unfortunately, THIS particular Bear market, is not subject to cycles like other markets, and is instead, a Bear market in perpetuity.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 14:05
farfel (Sept. 8, 1998...the final BULL mania before the Storm) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
....the most interesting thing about today's action in the general equities markets is the essential absence of any earth-shattering news supporting the bull hysteria today.

A rate cut has been expected for some time and is likely factored into the markets.

Ironically, the one left-field event ( Greenspan's Friday admission that America will NOT avoid the global economic contagion ) is not even a factor in today's action.

So, I would imagine that a refocus upon Greenspan's Friday capitulation to global economic realities will occur as early as tomorrow should the markets substantially weaken then.

Thanks.

F*




Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 13:57
farfel (REPOST: some good ideas about PLATINUM & PALLADIUM.) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
There is absolutely no populist perception that Plat is an alternate form of currency or that it is any kind of financial reserve. In fact, speaking with my coin dealer, he tells me that for the past week, demand for gold and silver is far outstripping demand for plat coinage. Prior to last week's debacle, demand for plat coinage was holding up well ( if not doing better ) against demand for gold/silver.

In the event of a crash, industrial demand for both Plat and Palladium will tumble ( as both auto and computer sales will dive ) . Moreover, in a post-crash economy, in order to facilitate car sales and get the economy back on its feet, I would expect numerous governments to rescind catalytic converter laws ( by eliminating them altogether ) . In doing so, they will effectively reduce the price of the cars sold, thereby enhancing the likelihood of future car sales.

Sell your plat and palladium...buy gold and silver.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 13:36
farfel (Street Focuses Upon Greenspan's Suggested Rate Cut....) ID#17077:
...and bypasses his most notable comments.

On Friday, Greenspan's most astounding comments concerned the inevitably of global economic contagion spilling over to America.

Yet, in the true nature of Wall Street spin, the focus today is on a rate cut that most market experts have been expecting for months now.

We are definitely in a Bear market as weak A/D ratio, more new lows against new highs, and overall moderate volume are nothing but a disappointment in the usual Labor Day rally.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 12:30
LGB (@ Jujube...... Running to Teachah) ID#269409:
Copyright © 1998 LGB/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
My father taught me when I was young, that running to the teacher, to Rat on a mindless, brainless, cretinous, playground bully.... would be totally ineffective and accomplish the opposite of my goal to squelch said bully.

The best approach to such little dicked, small minded, fascist wanna be's, would be to wait for the next unprovoked attack, mindless shove, whatever.....and respond immediately with a swift punch in the face, delivered with enthusiasm.

It worked wonderfully well, and I've never forgotten it. This is what a real man does, defends himself instead of running to Teacher. The weasly cowards like *Fvomit, would prefer to make their attacks and then hide behind teacher's skirts.

This is why I don't believe in censorship in the world of words. Better to let blatant, lying, mentally unstable, pssychotic stupidity... bare itself for all the world to critique, and then proceed to critique it and expose it for what it is. With enthusiasm ! With surgical precision !

The framers of the Constitution were bright guy's. They knew that even the most idiotic morons among us, would be no threat... even if they reached positions in Govt. like Billy C., as long as we all have the ability to expose them for the FRAUDS they are, a la free speech rights.

*Fstain doesn't have the political power of a Bill C., in fact he's probably a janitor someplace ( oops, sorry to insult janitors with this smear, ammend that, he's probably a Govt. dole employee ) . Most likely the *Fwipe has ZERO invested in any marketplace.

But the poor frustrated, penile challenged wanna be, could find no other place where anyone would listen to his pathetic ramblings, so he comes here. That's OK....but why does he then whine to Teacher when held to account for his completely inane nonsense? Sad. Ohhh they call him, the great.... Pretender..... ( Sung off key )

By the way, your last post was a classic. A work of art. Keep up the excellent work. Truth may not always be pretty, but it has a stark beauty of it's own, that is incomparable. On the other hand, a steaming lump, wrapped in faux pretty packaging, is still a steaming lump, is it not?

Many on these forums seem to want to escape from facts, truth, and reality. They love someone who will tell them tales of the bizarre. Lemmings and sheep, all of em.

Personally, I like reality. I like the truth. Even when it doesn't go my way if you know what I mean. Truth is beauty.

I've toyed with the idea now and then, that the *Fscabs of the world are best ignored by real beings of our species. However, eventually I always end up coming back to the same place. Namely, fraudulent lying bags of sh** should be exposed openly in a free society like ours. This is the best defense against ever becoming a fascist totalitarian Orwellian kinda place. This is the best way to avoid the doublethink of idiots who play their pipering flutes and try to get sheep to follow.

Keep posting Jujube. It's not beneath you as some would say. Bullsh**, must ocassionally be scraped, even off of the finest boots, when we walk in the pastures of life.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 09:54
Jujube__A (@BART....please note that your K-2 is a failure……) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

...and will remain a failure so long as you allow F*Puetz and all his multiple monikers to post here ( a better grammatical construct that F*Puetz version ) . I am sorry to say this but is true. Why? Because he offers nothing but a continuous stream of blunders and mistakes which he will cram down the collective throat without a single fact to back up his assertions. Ironically, he views my ideas as so unacceptable that, in his delusions, he perceives me to be some peripheral gutter-worm who must be totally devoid of access this site of truth. He would rather shut me up than back up his arguments with facts.

Actually, it is apparent to me that he is so removed from reality, that he does not even recognize the current evolution occurring within some of America’s most high-powered academics, politicians, and businessmen. He does not see, or is unable to recognize, that the Establishment is a-okay and okey dokey, and that people have never been better off than there are today.

Moreover, amusingly, he is categorically schizoid as his words and spitting diatribes continuously prove. He loves Bill Clinton ( who is NOT in any way responsible for this country's current status quo and the embodiment of the country's current moral condition ) …… Interestingly enough, I see him as no threat to anything, as his words and opinions prove he doesn’t have a compelling clue.

With his neo-Nazi tactics of epithet and intimidation.... with his scornful derision and incessant belittlement of those who oppose his ideology ( tactics I have consistently satired on K-1 and K-2 ) ...he is everything America should fear itself becoming. Again, my hats off to Mr. RJ for withstanding the type of abuse thrown his way by petty racists like F*Puetz..

There is one particular reason I am a lightning rod to his collective hostilities, as opposed to the many other posters on K-1, who share my perspectives. Specifically, I write in a very compelling manner and I refuse to allow people to post opinions stated as fact without the facts to back them up.. I hold my ground and the vehemence of my conviction that, whenever he posts garbage bereft of facts, I will point them out.

( Digression: I find it interesting that F*Puetz accuses Bart being intimidated by me. This seems to be the grandest insult to Bart of them all. I can be 404ed at any time. Yet Bart has stated that K2 is a place where we can speak out minds. I am speaking my mind, and attempting to discover the facts supports some very categorical statements made on this forum. All F*Puetz can do is cry, and whine, and run to Bart to say it all is not fair. This proves that F*Puetz is a weak man and cannot stand up for himself. Particularly when caught in a lie, or when caught spouting off all sorts of facts that he has not verified or that have no basis in reality )

Thanks

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 08:50
Jujube__A (O My Golly) ID#252286:

I am compelled to correct a misstatement by me. Would you like me to point out that Greenspan will lower interest rates when he lowers them, or will you retract your insistence that he will NOT lower rates? I guess I said lower, and then raise, in my previous post. As F*Puetz is like to say, Oooooooooops.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 08:15
Jujube__A (F*Puetz is compelled to whine) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Bart himself posted on this very site, that the first four netiquette rules will not be enforced here. I think he intended on having K2 be a place, away from the advertisers, that people can discuss matters in a more compelling manner. I have simply taken him at his word. If the rules have changed, I would like to be notified so I may modify my behavior. If the rules have not changed, than quit your whining to Bart. You make the proclamations, I simply want to know on what facts they are based. This is a worthy pursuit.

No more of your crybaby whining. Bart will not give you the facts you lack. You are standing on a foundation you built yourself. If it is rotten, we will know soon enough. When you fall through the rotting floor, into the muck below, we will all be compelled to say, Oooooooohhhh, but he compelled me so!

Thanks

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 08:03
Jujube__A (Some Compelling questions) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

You posted the definitive take on the PGM market. Why do you cry foul to Bart rather than answer the questions? Now that you have spread your wings in the PGM world, we would all like to know where you got you ever so compelling facts that you offer us in a most compelling style that I am compelled to respond to point out the compelling mistakes contained therein. Is this not the purpose of this forum? Are we not supposed to discover truth? Why do you dodge these questions?

If you do not know the answers, please tell me. I have no time to waste on people who don’t know what they are talking about. If you do have the answers to the basic questions I posed, please respond in you compelling manner which compels readers of all types to rush and flock to your side.

No, instead you whine to Bart, this is not faaaaaaiiiirrr. I am focusing on the ideas contained in you post. There is nothing personal in my questions. I am trying to find how you make the leap to, In order to get American auto sales going again, then one way of cutting the cost of a car would be recission of the laws that compel a catalytic converter from being part of it. How much would the cost saving be? And what needs to be done to change the laws requiring these metals in autos? Since you spoke in a most compelling manner regarding platinum and palladium, I feel compelled to ask on what foundation your compelling argument is based. I fell ever so compelled to do so. By the way, you keep spelling recision wrong, even in your corrections, you spell it wrong. I felt compelled to tell you of this.

Being compelling is not an end to itself. We are here to exchange ideas. If these ideas of which you so compellably write are base on a foundation of shaky facts, or no facts at all, we need to know this. Otherwise, we would all be fooled by your compelling style that you actually know what you are talking about.

PS -
US markets will open higher today, once again proving you are in over your head, in a very compelling fashion, I do believe. Oh, yeah, you also stated that Greenspan would not lower interest rates. Do you want to retract that now, or when he raise the rates and I point it out to you?



Pete -
I am Jujube, I do not post on K1. ( once by mistake, but I corrected that as soon as I found out. I think you listen to F*Puetz too much. He seems to be a bit paranoid and thinks all posters are one guy. This in another deliberate misinformation ploy and one which you should not be fooled by.

BuGal -
golden eagle could be so much more, but sadly it is nothing but a collection of all sorts of people saying all sorts of things that always add up to the exact same thing, the equities will crash and gold will skyrocket. It is an OK site, for what it is, but it is as single minded a place as any I have seen. F*Puetz should be very much at home there. I hope he continues in a most compelling way to take the golden eagle site by storm. I no longer visit there, It has zero to say. Puetz, Butler, farfel, they are cut from the same cloth, and most probably the same person. Just trying to sell more newsletters.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 04:09
farfel (FINAL POST OF THE NIGHT...Asia's New Paradigm?) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
On K-1, there is considerable bewilderment at the higher Asian markets tonight. Moreover, many Kitcoites believe that higher Asian markets must necessarily mean a higher American market upon today's open.

In the past, this has usually been true. However, over the past year, during the few times we have witnessed rising Asian Markets, we have more often than not seen a strengthening American Dollar.

Now, however, we are witnessing a new phenomenon: daily weakening of the US Dollar occurring simultaneously with rising Asian markets.

What this phenomenon suggests is that Asians are indeed selling US investments and repatriating funds to their native markets. Moreover, in closing their own countries' currency markets ( as Malaysia has done and the Philipines is ready to do ) , Asia is making it very difficult for any capital to flow back into America.

If this in fact is the case, then it is imperative that domestic inflows supplant the foreign capital repatriation. Otherwise, both the equities and bonds markets are resting upon foundations of thin air.

I do not see the conditions existing by which domestic inflows can readily supplant foreign capital repatriation...certainly not for any sustained period of time. We are living in an ultra-leveraged society and the average investor appears to be increasingly nervous and tapped out.

What does this mean?

Essentially, the American markets will probably require frequent government interventions to sustain themselves at these levels. I question whether the government either desires or has the available resources to maintain the bubble markets at these levels.

Once again, I believe Greenspan's comments on Friday concerning America's inability to remain isolated from global economic contagion were made in order to continue the process of dropping the markets ( hopefully, in a slow, orderly fashion ) and at the same time, since the comments were made after close of market some three days ago, then any unusual market weakness this week need not be directly attributed to Greenspan's Friday comments. In other words, Greenspan is trying to avoid direct blame for further market erosion. Yet, as history has proven, Greenspan does move markets ( remember his irrational exuberance statement last year and the subsequent immediate drop in the markets ) and so he seems to have given yet another speech that indicates the Fed Reserve approves further drops in the markets.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 03:41
farfel (@BART....please note that your K-2 is a failure....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...and will remain a failure so long as you allow Liberty and RJubjue and all their multiple monikers from posting here. I am sorry to say this but is true.

Why?

Because they offer nothing but a continuous stream of epithets and threats. They are ( at least in their minds ) somehow allied with the extent American Establishment and they feel that, people like myself are a threat to their way of life. Ironically, they view my ideas as so unacceptable that, in their delusions, they perceive me to be some peripheral gutter-worm who must be totally devoid of access to their hallowed Establishment. Actually, it is apparent to me that they are so removed themselves from this Establishment that they do not even recognize the current evolution occuring within some of its most high-powered academics, politicians, and businessmen. They do not see or are unable to recognize that the Establishment is at war with itself.

Moreover, amusingly, they are categorically schizoid. They hate Bill Clinton ( who is responsible for this country's current status quo and the embodiment of the country's current moral condition ) ...and at the same time, they love everything he and his appointees have facilitated in this nation ( most notably, a bubble stock market, threatening the welfare of many naive, hard-working small investors ) and around the world ( collapse of Asian, Russian, and S. American economies into the pits of despair and anarchy...but hey, to them it's probably no big deal because it keeps prices down in America! Hey, they can run out and buy their Porsches and computers for half the price now. SICK! )

Interestingly enough, I see them as a threat to the welfare of this nation. I am not alone in viewing them as such. In their happy acceptance of the decaying global status quo, they are accepting the conditions that may provoke conflict between these antagonistic, newly deprived nations and America. With their neo-Nazi tactics of epithet and intimidation....with their scornful derision and incessant belittlement of those who oppose their ideology ( tactics I have consistently satired on K-1 and K-2 ) ...they are everything America should fear itself becoming. Again, my hats off to Mr. Puetz for withstanding the type of abuse thrown his way that Southern whites once aimed at Blacks back at the end of the 19th century!.

There is one particular reason I am a lightning rod to their collective hostilities as opposed to the many other posters on K-1 who share my perspectives. Specifically, I write in a very compelling manner and I refuse to be intimidated by them. I hold my ground and the vehemence of my viewpoints.

( Digression: I find it interesting that I cannot post on K-1...yet RJujube can post any number of handles he wishes here on K-1 or K-2...and Liberty can post under the handle BUGal...and so I ask you...are you intimidated, BART? Has RJujube threatened to harm your business, just as he has threatened harm to myself, if you do not allow him absolute tyranny over your discussion forums? Is Liberty threatening to stop buying coins from you if you do not accede to his BUGal posts on K-1? Why am I banished from K-1 and they are free to post there. Please apprise )

Thanks.

F*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 03:34
Jack (J*) ID#252127:
Copyright © 1998 Jack/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

In my last post the general statement was that that without government edict Platinum and Palladium would find less use worldwide.
The same may be said about methanol and ethanol. Methanol has lowered my gas milage and created occasional sluggish performance. I believe the extra gas that I use has to create greater pollution for that reason alone.
It has always been my feeling that the polution problems if seriously considered would be better handled by more efficient methods of locomotion, many of which can't get by the lobbyists in DC.
As for gold, government policy is a double standard. It is deemed a commodity, but guarded more closely than paper money, yes.

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 02:36
Liberty (@ Realistic........ Pitz Predicts) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Why did I see the New Zealand market up 2% today? Hmmm, aren't they the LEADERS of the post eclipse crash wave action?

I'm Soooooo baffled. What to do, what to do. What really confuses me is that Mr. Pits predicted a full blown 1000 point down wave this week ( followed by a couple thousand more points next week ) .... uh that was on Sunday, and then today he predicts the market will open UP!!

What's a sheeplike gullible investor like moi supposed to do when the ANALysts kleep chanin their minds like this?

And then to top it off, the guy states today on K1, that his down move predictions are all coming to pass...predictions he FIRST MADE two months ago in July!

Now does this mean that all his previous crash predicitons, month after lunatr eclipsing , Halloweening, Full Mooning Month throughout 1997 were my imagination? I must be losin my mind.........


Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 02:28
Liberty (@ Almost forgot) ID#263379:
Don't forget to go long the S & P today, it's Puets's Full Moon / Eclipse Crash day/week. And we all know that he is indeed the world's absolute BEST contrary indicator!

The Moon..... The Moon..... The Moon.......

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 02:25
Liberty (@ Jujube) ID#263379:
Copyright © 1998 Liberty/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Keep posting , you ARE da man! This *F pre cancerous growth, should ALWAYS be held to account for his words. Same as we hold an Ahole like Bill C. ( though *F wipe is simply a pretender to power... )

What really makes me truly ill though, is not the *Fspot himself, but the way he can so easily dupe the sheeplike, lemming, GHoldBug masses into giving him credibility! It just goes to show that there truly is One born every minute.

The very folks who pride themselves in not being duped by the Govt. media complex conspiracy etal...are duped by a little wriggly worm of pre cambrain life, barely evolved beyond the sulpherous belch of Volcanic expulsion.

This *F vomit, a thing that has proven to be as disingenuous, and unknowlegdeable a pathetic critter as has ever graced the Kitco airwaves, is now adored by a little group of non thinkers who continue to be desperate for someone to tell them what to do now that their OTHER guru isn't around.

And now the *Fscab, actually has been published on Vronsky's site as an ANALYST os some type!

Pathetic.

Makes me cringe, not so much over the wanna be fascist egotist *F disease, but moreso over the fact that such a lump of steaming.... sh** can get a following.

Frightening.

No wonder the Stalin's and Hitler's come to power.

Well, I gotta go take advantage of tomorrow's SQUEEZE before it goe's LIMIT UP and locks me out of the Gold market! Cause you can't buy Gold ANYwhere these days you know!

Keep up the good work...... Stuff that guy's PAIR O' DIMES where the sun don't shine!



Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 01:57
GHANKINS__A (Jujube) ID#377358:
Keep up the good work man! Can you BELIEVE that Vronsky has given site space to this *F wipe!



Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 00:39
Jujube__A (O yeah) ID#252286:
It would be a good thing to know how much platinum or palladium goes into a car, and how it affects the price. If governments are to repeal these laws, how much savings will it bring?

This is crucial to your argument, and is the very heart and soul of it. Do you know the answers?

Thanks

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 00:30
Jujube__A (Tell us more) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

F*Puetz you wrote:

In order to get auto sales going again, then one means of cutting the cost of a car would be recission of the laws that compel catalytic converters from being a part of cars sold in America.

Could please elaborate further? How much platinum or palladium goes into an automobile? What percentage reduction of the total car price will the cessation of use of platinum and palladium bring? What are the alternatives? What are your sources for this information? What would changing these laws entail? How must congress act to repeal these laws? At what point do you see these laws being changed?

I only ask these questions because you offered your definitive views on Plat and Palladium to someone here earlier. Since definitive is defined by being the defining nature of that which is being defined, your claim is that you yourself have defined this market. If we are to take your definitive definition, could you please offer some facts to lend support for your views on these metals? I am very eager to learn more. If you do not have the answers to these questions, could you please state publicly that you have trouble with the definition of definitive?

Thanks

J*

PS
You think catalytic converters would go before air bags, sunroofs, stereos, leather interiors ( the only way to go ) , even spare tires? I would love to learn how you came to this conclusion? Your leap to the abolition of platinum and palladium from the auto manufacturing process is a stunning feat indeed and seems to be emotionally made. RJ likes platinum. You are obsessed with RJ. You can’t stop talking about him. You now have embarked on another misinformation campaign to dissuade people from looking at platinum. You give bad information, with no facts to back it up, information that people may act on ( like Pegasus ) all because you hate RJ?. This is not responsible. Unless, of course, you do have the answers to these questions. Then I retract this entire post and will make you godfather of my beautiful daughter born by my beautiful wife.

Thanks Again

J*

Or will you dodge these like you dodge all the other questions when you are in over your head? If you don’t have the answers to these, please let me know, I have about 20 more brought up by the post you made. I am very interested to learn, as I keep saying.

Thanks Again Also

J*

Date: Tue Sep 08 1998 00:00
Jujube__A (O) ID#252286:
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