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Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 23:02
Pete (farfel-The winds of change are here.) ID#222231:
Copyright © 1998 Pete/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Gold is on its way UPPPPP! The following article posted on Yahoo TVX site by tunaclipper says it all. Maylasia has told the IMF where to stick it and look what is happening in their market. Up several days in a row and up 19.5% as of now. How long will it take for other nations under the thumb of the IMF and the dollar to catch on? Methinks it has happened and will snowball. Go gold!!!!!



The winds
change are
here!!
tunac1ipper
Sep 6 1998
12:03PM EDT

After reading about a dozen countries pushing a
gold standard, Jack Kemp and company pressing
for gold backing, Malaysia closing its doors to
currency speculators and going toward gold, the
rush to gold has begun. If there are shorts out there
betting that gold will go down to $270 or so, watch
out! The reports from so many countries and so
many political leaders jumping on the gold
bandwagon is telling me that our time has arrived.
For those waiting for the fuze to be lit, it has
already been lit and the explosion is imminent. The
press has grabbed a hold of the gold movement and
is no longer fighting gold and glorifying the dollar. I
usually ignore the gold bug publications because
they are always touting the value of gold and we
grow numb to that. When the mainstream press
jumps on board and Mr. Average Investor and
politician are hit with it in the newspapers and TV
newscast, it will not be a blip. The time has
arrived!! ( Could I be wrong though?.......Naayyyy ) .

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:52
Jujube__A (But) ID#252286:
I am not Realistic. ( I mean the poster, not my views! )

Thanks

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:46
Rumpled (@RJ--HA HA!!---It gives me great comfort to realize I'm not the only one without a life. THANKS.) ID#411233:


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:41
Jujube__A (Rumpled) ID#252286:
I really MUST take my beautiful wife to eat. She is standing there with car keys in hand and we are both chuckling at our joke. Well, my joke, she had nothing to do with it. I will be dining with a dear friend in the entertainment industry this evening. We spoke about Y2K the other night on the phone and he told me not to worry. I am bringing a gold coin to dinner. I think once he gets that coin in his hand he will finally listen to the way the Dow manipulators are going to bring the whole house crashing down.

But dinner first!

Thanks

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:34
RETIRED SOLDIER (Farfel) ID#347235:
We all enjoy your posts much more when you are on your best behavior I can't understand why you feel the need to bring the wrath of others on you at certain intervals, when you are doing your best you really make sense why not just do that? Shalom to you. BTW I and My wife are moving to Germany, she is there I am leaving in about three weeks. Hope to have e-mail and internet access there, maybe without me to irritate you so much you will stay on the straingt and narrow path? YES?

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:27
Rumpled (@RJ--HA HA!--You never cease to amaze!) ID#411233:
Back with a new twist!

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:24
Jujube__A (Realistic) ID#252286:
That's not fair. You only did that to Puetz before. How did you find out we are the same? This whole RJujube thing was a joke, don't you all get it? He did that all to me and I was just showing you why he did it and is still doing it and thats why I did it.

Bart, could you please just ignore my previous posts? This is getting way out of hand.

Thanks

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:18
Jujube__A (Off to eat!) ID#252286:

I must take my beautiful wife to dinner before she divorces me!

I will post my views later on why America is screwing all the good folks and what we must do to protect ourselves. I hope my little ploy showed you all what a maniac RJujube is! He does NOT intimidate me before and he does NOT intimidate me now.

Thanks

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:15
Realistic (@Farfel) ID#410194:
Copyright © 1998 Realistic/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
People who bought Gold within the risk-free period starting on March 1st have seen their investment turn sour as Gold reached numerous new lows once the 45 day period ended...

Do you see foresee more of these types of risk-free periods ahead for Gold but successful ones though this time?

Thanks.

Date: Sun Mar 01 1998 23:43
farfel ( PRAGMATIC THOUGHTS ON GOLD... ) ID#28585:
Gold...we are now entering a 45 day risk-free period for the metal. By risk-free, I mean a period in which the upside probability far outweighs the downside probability in a manner not seen since the Carter presidency. Despite the putative absence of inflation, there are other factors coming into play that should create an upward spike in the very depressed price of the metal:

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:12
Jujube__A (I Promise) ID#252286:

I will post again

thanks

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:11
farfel (@ALL...yes, I will be back with more posts...) ID#17077:
...the fascist RJujube does NOT intimidate.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:07
farfel (@FORKLIFT...everybody is trying to figure out...) ID#17077:
...what the Japanese have in mind.

So far, they have not indicated that they are ready to break from the global status quo.

Certainly, theirs is a culture that strives NOT to make waves...a consensus building culture that has proven to be quite successful in the past.

Somehow, I wonder if a secret consensus is now being formed...one that may be quite radical in its nature.

WHo knows?

Thanks.

F*


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:06
Jujube__A (Okay, the truth) ID#252286:

Had you all going, didn’t I? Just my little impression of RJujube going berserk. It gets so slow on K2, I have to do something to keep people reading. I hope you all enjoy the Joke. Congratulations, Tyoung, you were the first to figure it out. A gold coin to you, my friend!

Thanks

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 22:03
farfel (@PETE...philisophically, I agree with you...) ID#17077:
...however, I believe that it is unfair that I must succumb to psychotic attacks ad nauseum while he can post on K-1 with only polite rejoinders from posters who are intimidated by his wrathful responses.

Ergo, I have made the preceding appeals to Bart.

I feel RJujube should be removed from K-2.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:59
farfel (@BART...my wife is asking me to take her out...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...so I would hope you will communicate your feelings on the two preceding questions at your convenience.

Again, I reiterate....I will not be intimidated by this kid...in my mind, he represents all the greedy Wall Street Hypesters who are conning this great country into one of the most astounding financial disasters of the century.

I take a public stand against these con artists with great pride and pleasure. As such, I hope to post warnings about this American financial bubble as long as is necessary. I have warned relatives and friends -- and the anonymous little old lady with her pension...all the financially unsophisticated....they too are my friends and I will continue to warn them of the Wall Street scam now in full gear.

In conclusion, I will abide by whatever decision you make.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:56
Jujube__A (F jerk pleads to Bart) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
ohhhhhhhhhhbooooooohhhoohohohohooooooohoohohoooooooooo

Bart, save me from my past!!
Save me from my own words!!
Save me from my millions of mistakes!!
Don't let anybody show the world what a jerk I really am.
Don't let Jujube repost my own words in which I insulted everybody on this site is the worst way possible!!
Don't make accountable for the disinformation I post here daily to further my own agenda!!
Don't make me have to live in a world of my own creation.
Oh please punish somebody. Doesn't matter who, I am sooooo maaaaad!

Oh Bart, help me cover the stink of all my insults, and boneheaded predictions. Don't let anybody point out how wrong I always am. Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase Baaaaaaarrrrrtttt!

It's not faaaaaaaiiiiirrrrrrrrrr!

Booooooohoohoooooohoohohohohoohhhooooooooooohohohohoohoh snuffle snuffle

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:53
Forklift (farfel) ID#156161:
I think that the Japanese markets have much further
to go downward. Their inaction puzzles me, and it has
occured to me that they are doing as little as possible
by intention. An ultimate game of chicken? A duel?
What if they were to trigger a worldwide financial debacle?
Rebuilding, for them, seems more feasible for they
have already done it just fifty years ago.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:46
Pete (farfel, don't take the bait.) ID#222231:
Please, for your sake and ours,DON'T TAKE THE BAIT! Mr. split personality wants to make you crack and react as what happened on K1.
Let him continue his attacks on you. Those that dislike you will no matter what. Those of us that have empathy with you will continue to read your posts. WHY BUTT YOUR HEAD AGAINST A BRICK WALL?

IF YOU READ AND REPLY TO MR. SPLIT, HE WILL HAVE WON AND YOU WILL LOSE. DON'T LET HIM SUCCEED.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:46
Jujube__A (FPUS CAN'T YOU READ?) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You better watch what you say about RJ. You seem to be mad at me, but you threaten him. Why do you threaten him? Do you want to do harm to RJ?

I am Jujube, hear me roar. You don't know what you think you do. I only aspire to the great heights He can take us. I am only a humble ghost… bent on saving America from the gold shorting lying hypocritical know nothing disinformationizing manipulators LIKE YOU. We are on to you. You have been writing all this crap here to get people to buy gold so you can short more of it and hurt the folks at Kitco. Your type always gets theirs in the end. Still got that rubber?

Don’t believe a word of what he say’s people. He has been shorting gold the whole time. He takes us all for fools. We have suffered enough from his assault on our beloved gold. We won’t stand for it any longer. Stand up to the gold shorters. Don’t let FPuetz get away with it! Stop the America hating slime that destroys our very way of life! America, Love it or leave. Got than, sonny?


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:43
farfel (@BART...one other thing, Bart....) ID#17077:
...when RJujube threatens to alert the FBI regarding my posts, it seems that he is not simply trying to intimidate me...he seems to be trying to intimidate you as well.

He seems to revel at the notion that they will subpoena your registry records, etc.

In the past, he has expressed great concern for the welfare of your website. His threats do not seem aimed at benefiting you or your website.

Thanks.

F*


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:39
farfel (@BART...I would appeal to you as follows...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...IMHO you should not allow RJujube to post on both forums K-1 and K-2. I think he should be limited to K-1.

He is a disruptive element on K-2 as he never addresses the issues under discussion in a civil manner.

Instead, he cuts and pastes out of context, historical posts...and he hurls epithet after epithet.

Of course, again, it is your web-site...however, I feel that, given that I am unable to post upon K-1 ( for breaching etiquette guidelines ) , therefore IMHO, you should preclude RJujube from posting upon K-2. It
is extremely difficult to maintain any decorum on this forum when an agitator such as RJujube continuously hurls epithets.

However, no matter what your decision, I shall continue posting here as long as you allow me to do so. There is obviously an audience and demand for such posts.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:34
Jujube__A (Pegasus) ID#252286:
Remember?

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:33
Jujube__A (F Log Lying Lump) ID#252286:
Stop you gold shorting Fpuetz. You have done enough harm already.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:33
farfel (@FORKLIFT....yes, in a sense....) ID#17077:
...the Japanese are attempting to rebuild from a lower equilibrium...however, so far, they have not done so in a radical fashion, freeing themselves from the tyranny of the global status quo.

So, the central question is this: is the current Japanese market a real equilibrium point...or does it have much farther to fall.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:31
Jujube__A (HYPOCRITE) ID#252286:
F log reposted many times: On the other hand, there is nothing more depressing than losing one's financial shirt

Remember Pegasus?

You worm.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:30
farfel (@BILL2J...it is childish...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...I think there is nothing more childish than having someone follow you around like a '50's McCarthy disciple posting out-of-context historical posts.

No matter what I post, there is my good buddy RJ, ready to denigrate my most recent posts with historical posts that have nothing to do with the ideas presented.

He claims it is a tit for tat.

Yet, never in my recollection did I ever hound this guy to the extent he hounds me. Historically, I posted contradictions in his thinking...but never with the usage of degrading epithets.

Analogously, on K-1, you have REALISTIC hounding Puetz, following up every post with an historical post as though thoughts spoken back then are pertinent to today's events.

I admire the fact that Puetz is keeping his temper. However, REALISTIC has not gone into the realm of name-calling and muck-raking. If that should happen, then it would be interesting to see whether or not Puetz can maintain his composure.

In any case, RJ may think he is destroying me...yet he is certainly destroying himself.

What respect can be commanded by such a slanderer?

None, it seems.

Thanks.

F*


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:28
RETIRED SOLDIER (Rumpled) ID#347235:
VTCOPR@Wainwright-EMH5.army.mil

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:24
Forklift (farfel) ID#156161:
Wouldn't your thought about rebuilding equilibrium
at lower levels be better applied to the Japanese.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:24
Jujube__A (YES, BUT I AM JUJUBE, YES?) ID#252286:
HEAR ME ROAR
IN NUMBERS TO BIG TO IGNORE

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:22
Jujube__A (REPOST) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 03:22

farfel ( Thoughts... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

The great thing about the fall of the Rand is, not so much the issue of its effects on the price of

gold, but rather the ultimate impoverishment of dickheads like PissPee who, when economic

hardship gets really intense down there, will probably have their assets and properties

expropriated by the failing SA government. Deservedly so...for being abject idiots!

Speaking of expropriation, since Moronator is such a fawning disciple of Herr-ess Witte and her

happy band of Royal Oak Robbers ( since, in his mind, she represents the apotheosis of pure

capitalism...and he admires scoundrels who have the balls to change the rules ) , then he too

should be delighted when his new government comes along someday and changes the rules,

expropriating all his ( putatively ) hard-earned assets. Bound to happen since, he too, is living in

the midst of a collapsing economy.

And what about James...great admirer of intellect...or should I say, imbibing... prone to heavy

indulgences in the old boozola when his wife is away ( who can blame her? ) , happily liquoring

himself up into a state of abject incoherence.

What does it all mean?

It means, back off f**kheads, or I will rip your blathering nonsense into shreds ( and you along with

it ) in a manner that will make my friend RJ seem the epitome of cool composure.

Oh, thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 12:54

farfel ( @RETIRED DESERTER and PUSSBOYS... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

RETIRED DESERTER...nice to see you join in the gang bang...befitting for a wimp like you who

professes to stand up for Jews but then runs and kisses the behind of JANES, a patently obvious

Jew hater.

PUSSBOYS...contributing your usual three lines of ghettoese mumbo jumbo. Go crawl back

under your rock, crackhead!

F*'s Report...

I don't care where gold goes...it's one big ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I like the strong action on the DOW & NASDAQ....makes America even STRONGER so all the

rest of the countries of the world can rot and sink into the toilet they deserve.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 14:23

farfel ( @LGiBBerish...who's contributed nothing to this forum? ) ID#340302:

Take a look in the mirror, coin dealer man! Pushing your worthless little silver coins while kissing

ass at Loral How well do you sharpen pencils for Mr. Schwartz? I hear you run and fetch a

mean glass of water, LGiBBerish.

Give me a break!

I imagine you must be at least 400 pounds of hot, foul wind.

When are they going to toss you out on your big, fat ass?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 14:29

farfel ( @JerkTurkeyF**head.... I AM OUT OF GOLD COMPLETELY!! YES!!!! ) ID#340302:

Why would I own that miserable worthless crap anymore?

And have to continue posting on this forum...and listening to pedantic nihilists and preachifying

bores?

Enough already.

The DOW & the NASDAQ...that's where the party is. The higher they go, the better off

America...and the rest of the world can take a dump in a pig slop.

Screw gold.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 14:46

farfel ( @LGiBBerish...my RJ impression? ) ID#340302:

I don't know what you're talking about?

RJ's OK by me.

Are you casting aspersions against your hero and Lord, RJ? God knows, you licked his butt often

enough.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 15:27

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS...oh, you're getting there.... ) ID#340302:

...try writing just one or two more lines...and hey, you might just pass for literate.

Now go back and smoke some more crack.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 16:29

farfel ( @RETIRED DESERTER...and you CAN KISS MY ASS... ) ID#340302:

...I DID NOT COME ON THIS FORUM, YOU LITTLE PUKEHEAD, TO BE A TARGET OF

CONSTANT INCESSANT ABUSE. AND YOU LITTLE SH*T HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE

BIGGEST ABUSERS.

NOW IF IT'S IN MY POWER, I WILL HUNT YOUR SENILE ASS DOWN EVERY TIME YOU

POST CRAP AGAINST ME. OR UNTIL BART REMOVES ME. WHICH HE CAN DO

WHENEVER THE HELL HE FEELS LIKE.

I DONT CARE IF YOU FOUGHT IN DICKSVILLE, DICKHEAD, IT DOES NOT PROVE YOUR

MANHOOD, IT JUST PROVES YOUR WRETCHED STUPIDITY AS FAR AS I AM

CONCERNED.

OK, you got it?

Thanks

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:38

farfel ( @SNOWBIRD...here's a little hint... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

...call off all your mangy mutt buddies who keep attacking F* on a personal basis.

He CAN bite back ( far worse than anything seen here so far...you haven't even begun to see MY

COPY and PASTE yet ) .

Helpful hints: the name is NOT farfetched, fartful, farfelburger, farfelonious, etc.

More Helpful hints: don't mention or propagate theories about a Jew Boys Club on this forum. I

have a lot of friends who are Jews. We will get the Jewish Defence League to find out who you (

really ) are and deal with you.

Yet More Helpful Hints: don't kick people ( like goldbugs ) when they are down on a daily basis.

Yet Even More Helpful Hints: lay off the fascist all-American love it or leave it! attitudes, extolling

the virtues of Nirvana for America and the greater virtues of drinking piss for the rest of the world.

It infuriates ( some ) Americans.

Yet Even More and More Helpful Hints: end the great Farfel gangbang NOW!

Unlike Mr. Puetz, I will not disappear but will retaliate with even fuller force.

Finally, apologize, just as I have done in the past to all on this forum. A real apology ( not an

apology serving as merely a means to attack another poster a la LGiBBerish's deceitful tactics ) .

Until such apology is received I will post in the neo-fascist fashion which was so popularized by

RotJerk, LGiBBerish, PissPee, Moronator, Retired Deserter, Pussboys, etc. At least, until Bart

removes me.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:41

farfel ( @CROSSBITCH...who the hell are you? ) ID#340302:

You don't even know me, dick-for-brains?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:44

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS...ohmiGOd...back again? ) ID#340302:

You ran out of crack already.

I'm sorry. I don't have any to send you.

Thanks.

F

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:46

farfel ( @CROSSBITCH...you're probably JANES in drag... ) ID#340302:

..right?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:50

farfel ( @CROSSBITCH...so you respect many of the posters here... ) ID#340302:

...but you obviously don't respect me, addressing me as Fasteriska.

So guess what, I don't respect you. Ergo, you can stick your head up your bunghole!

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:00

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS....oh, just go back to your ghetto... ) ID#340302:

...you'll be so much happier, moron. Don't forget your food stamps.

Thanks.

F*.

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:12

farfel ( @SHELLER...re: Liberace or LGiBBerish or whatever he calls himself. ) ID#340302:

Now you're safe back home, having spent a full day running and fetching water for Mr. Schwartz.

Must be real tired after moving that fat ass of yours around Loral all day.

Time to get out all your grubby silver coins and count em all, right?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:18

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS...so you're saying all Jews smell ) ID#340302:

Why don't you and Janes get together and burn down a synagogue?

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:10

Poorboys ( That Skunk Smell Is Always Around ) ID#227168:

Farhead –If you are a Jew then you must have been casterated, maybe they just cut off the wrong

parts? When

you do return to Kitco under another alias your smell will give you away --Pew

I just hope the Jewish Defence League finds out where you live, you little rotter, and then they

should castrate your crackhead ass.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:29

farfel ( @BULLY BEEF...I expect the plug to be pulled...... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

...but I shall survive.

Tired of hearing about LGiBBerish's 400% return on stocks, the same boring story told over and

over again.

Tired of Pussboys three sentence incoherent posts dissing gold and various forum members, the

same old, same old.

Tired of PissPee lauding his brainy son, leaving us all to wonder how the son got all the smarts

and father was left with less than zero.

Tired of the usual Kitco Nazis constant name-calling, browbeating anybody who believes in the

yellow metals value.

The Nazis have won...not just the gold market but the entire country. False prosperity while the

Nazis raise the volume on their cheers.

THE TREND IS YOUR FRIEND, etc., etc.

It doesn't matter if I'm thrown of Kitco because I no longer give a damn about gold or silver or

anything so banal.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:22
2BR02B? (men overboard! toss lifesavers! whatever flavor) ID#266105:

?

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:20
Bill2j (@Farel, RJ) ID#260389:
Copyright © 1998 Bill2j/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
The world is collapsing around us. Russia is bankrupt. Japan is in endemic recession. All of Asia is now pretty much in deep recession. All of South America is devalueing their currencys. The XAU has gone up over 20% in a couple of days. Puetz is screaming crash, crash. All that earth shaking stuff going on and all you guys can do is indulge in idiotic, cildish foot stamping. I have read and respected both of your posts. I have been forced to think about matters of import because of your words. Poop, bury the hatchet and lets get on with the task of comparing notes so we can better survive what may well turn out to be a nasty turn in our nations fortunes.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:18
farfel (REPOST: Nobody Wants to be a Sucker!) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

As some of you may recall, I wrote several months ago about my speculation that the equities markets would begin

to experience trouble in the Summer.

My central thesis revolved around the fact that a consensus of market analysts and market investors ( I personally
polled ) believed that weakness would not begin until October.

Furthermore, I theorized that the government would be more inclined to allow the equities bubble to pop during
Summer for psychological reasons since Summer is a time when the people would be in a more optimistic frame of

mind ( surrounded by singing birds and flowers and sunshine, etc. ) . After a person takes a severe financial hit,
he may take some solace in seeing the many other intangible virtues in life besides one's financial circumstances. It

puts things in perspective. On the other hand, there is nothing more depressing than losing one's financial shirt,
then stepping outside into either the dying environment of Fall or the cold miserable chill of Winter. Truly
depressing because those two seasons are seasons of decay and have traditionally been associated with much mass

depression and suicide.

So, it is interesting to note that severe troubles in the equities markets began in late July.

Now, the question is this: when will the culmination of the equities markets' trouble occur?

Again, I must say I would theorize that it will be sooner than later. Most of my friends who imagined an October
market debacle expressed definite intentions to exit no later than early to mid- September. They described
themselves as shrewd investors who would not allow themselves to be suckered into holding equities into
October.

So, the mass small investor psychology suggests September troubles before October problems.

The major objections to this thesis have been presented by those market professional investors who feel that, since
Goldman Sachs is NOT going public until late October....and since Treasury Secretary Rubin is a former partnerof

GS ( with some personal GS financial interests supposedly held in escrow ) , then surely, Rubin will do
everything in his power to ensure highly auspicious market conditions for Goldman's public offering...for his
own personal benefit as well as the benefit of former colleagues and friends.

This particular objection does have a certain compelling logic.

However, here are the central questions: can one man ( Rubin ) hold the entire US financial market together if the
mass investor psychology has truly shifted? Moreover, is it possible for Rubin to preclude the Bear downdraft
when it appears Fed Reserve ChairmanGreenspan is no longer preaching the America is Immune from Global
Economic Contagion gospel?

Finally, with Starr's impeachment report ready to be released any day now, it seems the President will receive
another ( maybe fatal ) blow to his credibility.

Essentially, with a government seemingly no longer united in purpose and interpretation of domestic economic
affairs....with a government whose leader no longer commands any credibility or respect from his very own
insiders and advisors ( after all, he lied to them for half a year! ) ....with a government that no longer commands
any credibility from foreign goverments ( after all, if Clinton lied to his very own inner circle, then how can
foreign leaders trust him? ) ....then one must wonder: can this same effete government preclude the apparent
urgent troubles facing America's markets and economy?

What do you think?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:17
Jujube__A (REPOST) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 03:22

farfel ( Thoughts... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

The great thing about the fall of the Rand is, not so much the issue of its effects on the price of

gold, but rather the ultimate impoverishment of dickheads like PissPee who, when economic

hardship gets really intense down there, will probably have their assets and properties

expropriated by the failing SA government. Deservedly so...for being abject idiots!

Speaking of expropriation, since Moronator is such a fawning disciple of Herr-ess Witte and her

happy band of Royal Oak Robbers ( since, in his mind, she represents the apotheosis of pure

capitalism...and he admires scoundrels who have the balls to change the rules ) , then he too

should be delighted when his new government comes along someday and changes the rules,

expropriating all his ( putatively ) hard-earned assets. Bound to happen since, he too, is living in

the midst of a collapsing economy.

And what about James...great admirer of intellect...or should I say, imbibing... prone to heavy

indulgences in the old boozola when his wife is away ( who can blame her? ) , happily liquoring

himself up into a state of abject incoherence.

What does it all mean?

It means, back off f**kheads, or I will rip your blathering nonsense into shreds ( and you along with

it ) in a manner that will make my friend RJ seem the epitome of cool composure.

Oh, thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 12:54

farfel ( @RETIRED DESERTER and PUSSBOYS... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

RETIRED DESERTER...nice to see you join in the gang bang...befitting for a wimp like you who

professes to stand up for Jews but then runs and kisses the behind of JANES, a patently obvious

Jew hater.

PUSSBOYS...contributing your usual three lines of ghettoese mumbo jumbo. Go crawl back

under your rock, crackhead!

F*'s Report...

I don't care where gold goes...it's one big ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I like the strong action on the DOW & NASDAQ....makes America even STRONGER so all the

rest of the countries of the world can rot and sink into the toilet they deserve.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 14:23

farfel ( @LGiBBerish...who's contributed nothing to this forum? ) ID#340302:

Take a look in the mirror, coin dealer man! Pushing your worthless little silver coins while kissing

ass at Loral How well do you sharpen pencils for Mr. Schwartz? I hear you run and fetch a

mean glass of water, LGiBBerish.

Give me a break!

I imagine you must be at least 400 pounds of hot, foul wind.

When are they going to toss you out on your big, fat ass?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 14:29

farfel ( @JerkTurkeyF**head.... I AM OUT OF GOLD COMPLETELY!! YES!!!! ) ID#340302:

Why would I own that miserable worthless crap anymore?

And have to continue posting on this forum...and listening to pedantic nihilists and preachifying

bores?

Enough already.

The DOW & the NASDAQ...that's where the party is. The higher they go, the better off

America...and the rest of the world can take a dump in a pig slop.

Screw gold.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 14:46

farfel ( @LGiBBerish...my RJ impression? ) ID#340302:

I don't know what you're talking about?

RJ's OK by me.

Are you casting aspersions against your hero and Lord, RJ? God knows, you licked his butt often

enough.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 15:27

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS...oh, you're getting there.... ) ID#340302:

...try writing just one or two more lines...and hey, you might just pass for literate.

Now go back and smoke some more crack.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 16:29

farfel ( @RETIRED DESERTER...and you CAN KISS MY ASS... ) ID#340302:

...I DID NOT COME ON THIS FORUM, YOU LITTLE PUKEHEAD, TO BE A TARGET OF

CONSTANT INCESSANT ABUSE. AND YOU LITTLE SH*T HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE

BIGGEST ABUSERS.

NOW IF IT'S IN MY POWER, I WILL HUNT YOUR SENILE ASS DOWN EVERY TIME YOU

POST CRAP AGAINST ME. OR UNTIL BART REMOVES ME. WHICH HE CAN DO

WHENEVER THE HELL HE FEELS LIKE.

I DONT CARE IF YOU FOUGHT IN DICKSVILLE, DICKHEAD, IT DOES NOT PROVE YOUR

MANHOOD, IT JUST PROVES YOUR WRETCHED STUPIDITY AS FAR AS I AM

CONCERNED.

OK, you got it?

Thanks

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:38

farfel ( @SNOWBIRD...here's a little hint... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

...call off all your mangy mutt buddies who keep attacking F* on a personal basis.

He CAN bite back ( far worse than anything seen here so far...you haven't even begun to see MY

COPY and PASTE yet ) .

Helpful hints: the name is NOT farfetched, fartful, farfelburger, farfelonious, etc.

More Helpful hints: don't mention or propagate theories about a Jew Boys Club on this forum. I

have a lot of friends who are Jews. We will get the Jewish Defence League to find out who you (

really ) are and deal with you.

Yet More Helpful Hints: don't kick people ( like goldbugs ) when they are down on a daily basis.

Yet Even More Helpful Hints: lay off the fascist all-American love it or leave it! attitudes, extolling

the virtues of Nirvana for America and the greater virtues of drinking piss for the rest of the world.

It infuriates ( some ) Americans.

Yet Even More and More Helpful Hints: end the great Farfel gangbang NOW!

Unlike Mr. Puetz, I will not disappear but will retaliate with even fuller force.

Finally, apologize, just as I have done in the past to all on this forum. A real apology ( not an

apology serving as merely a means to attack another poster a la LGiBBerish's deceitful tactics ) .

Until such apology is received I will post in the neo-fascist fashion which was so popularized by

RotJerk, LGiBBerish, PissPee, Moronator, Retired Deserter, Pussboys, etc. At least, until Bart

removes me.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:41

farfel ( @CROSSBITCH...who the hell are you? ) ID#340302:

You don't even know me, dick-for-brains?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:44

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS...ohmiGOd...back again? ) ID#340302:

You ran out of crack already.

I'm sorry. I don't have any to send you.

Thanks.

F

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:46

farfel ( @CROSSBITCH...you're probably JANES in drag... ) ID#340302:

..right?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 19:50

farfel ( @CROSSBITCH...so you respect many of the posters here... ) ID#340302:

...but you obviously don't respect me, addressing me as Fasteriska.

So guess what, I don't respect you. Ergo, you can stick your head up your bunghole!

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:00

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS....oh, just go back to your ghetto... ) ID#340302:

...you'll be so much happier, moron. Don't forget your food stamps.

Thanks.

F*.

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:12

farfel ( @SHELLER...re: Liberace or LGiBBerish or whatever he calls himself. ) ID#340302:

Now you're safe back home, having spent a full day running and fetching water for Mr. Schwartz.

Must be real tired after moving that fat ass of yours around Loral all day.

Time to get out all your grubby silver coins and count em all, right?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:18

farfel ( @PUSSBOYS...so you're saying all Jews smell ) ID#340302:

Why don't you and Janes get together and burn down a synagogue?

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:10

Poorboys ( That Skunk Smell Is Always Around ) ID#227168:

Farhead –If you are a Jew then you must have been casterated, maybe they just cut off the wrong

parts? When

you do return to Kitco under another alias your smell will give you away --Pew

I just hope the Jewish Defence League finds out where you live, you little rotter, and then they

should castrate your crackhead ass.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Jun 29 1998 20:29

farfel ( @BULLY BEEF...I expect the plug to be pulled...... ) ID#340302:

Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

...but I shall survive.

Tired of hearing about LGiBBerish's 400% return on stocks, the same boring story told over and

over again.

Tired of Pussboys three sentence incoherent posts dissing gold and various forum members, the

same old, same old.

Tired of PissPee lauding his brainy son, leaving us all to wonder how the son got all the smarts

and father was left with less than zero.

Tired of the usual Kitco Nazis constant name-calling, browbeating anybody who believes in the

yellow metals value.

The Nazis have won...not just the gold market but the entire country. False prosperity while the

Nazis raise the volume on their cheers.

THE TREND IS YOUR FRIEND, etc., etc.

It doesn't matter if I'm thrown of Kitco because I no longer give a damn about gold or silver or

anything so banal.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:14
Jujube__A (Fspot loves PH too) ID#252286:

Farfel from 6/29/98

farfel ( @PH**KHEAD IN LA... ) ID#340302:
You were never a fan of FARFEL? Who cares? Who really cares what drivel you post on this forum?
Who cares who you like?

Go back and worship your David Carradine impressionist, ANOTHER. That's more your speed. You
can find him on USAGOLD raking in the bucks courtesy of ass-for-brains sheep like yourself.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:13
farfel (REPOST: Greenspan Preparing Americans for Disaster?) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved


Talk about Paradigm Shift....only months ago, Greenspan testified that America was experiencing a virtuous
cycle, the continuation of the Goldilocks economy...not too hot, not too cold.

Now, all of a sudden, he is finally admitting that America cannot remain a paradisiacal island unto itself as global
economic devastation whirls around the globe ( See Article Below )

What a confession!! Moreover, the timing is very interesting as it is occuring just before the post-Labor Day week
when a virtual consensus of Bearish analysts is calling for market calamity.

Rubin ( who I categorically blame for allowing America to get into this mess ) must be livid! Imagine...Greenspan
is NOT willing to maintain the facade of unlimited American prosperity any longer.

The equities and bond markets are in a NO-WIN situation...raise or lower interest rates...either scenario spells
disaster. Lowering interest rates augurs inflation and kills both bonds and equities. Raising interest rates explodes
both the bonds and equities bubbles.

The only true solution is to reconstruct the global currency structure AFTER market equilibrium is restored at
whatever lower level it obtains. It will be necessary to fix the new global currency system against some kind of
standard ( gold maybe? ) .

Unfortunately, America has experienced a false prosperity this past decade at the expense of many suffering
nations. As I have written for over the past year, sadly, it seems that global economic collapse might be the only
condition compelling the major Superpowers to sit down together in one room and agree about the future direction
of global currencies and markets -- without equivocation or subterfuge or lack of purpose. As you may recall, for
the past year, I wrote that as long as America felt it could escape the contagion, then I hypothesized that the
country would NEVER take the necessary measures to stem the economic epidemic. So far I have been proven to
be correct.

So batten down the hatches...I think we have reached a point where it may be time for technicians to throw out
their charts. Future moves in the market may be extremely radical, NASB, and as such, highly unpredictable for
chartists that are accustomed to steady, dull, trend-like moves over the past decade.

PHYSICAL gold and silver...soon to be acknowledged as the true flight to safety.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Friday September 4, 7:46 pm Eastern Time

U.S. economy won't escape turmoil
effects-Greenspan

``It is just not credible that the United States can remain an oasis of prosperity unaffected by a world that is
experiencing greatly increased stress,'' Greenspan said in a speech at the University of California in Berkeley.

Although he did not directly comment on the bank's interest rate policy, Greenspan said it was a time to be
cautious, implying there would be no change soon in official U.S. interest rates. ``Clearly, the history of large
swings in investor confidence and equity premiums for rational and other reasons counsels caution in the current
context,'' he said.

Greenspan said that in the Spring and early Summer of this year Fed policymakers were concerned the strong
U.S. economy would fuel inflationary price pressures. But that fear had since abated and the Federal Open Market
Committee saw the risks as balanced between economic slowdown and inflation.
``By the time of the Committee's August meeting, the risks had become balanced, and the Committee will need to
consider carefully the potential ramifications of ongoing developments since that meeting,'' he said.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:11
farfel (REPOST: Nobody Wants to be a Sucker.) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

As some of you may recall, I wrote several months ago about my speculation that the equities markets would begin
to experience trouble in the Summer.

My central thesis revolved around the fact that a consensus of market analysts and market investors ( I personally
polled ) believed that weakness would not begin until October.

Furthermore, I theorized that the government would be more inclined to allow the equities bubble to pop during
Summer for psychological reasons since Summer is a time when the people would be in a more optimistic frame of
mind ( surrounded by singing birds and flowers and sunshine, etc. ) . After a person takes a severe financial hit,
he may take some solace in seeing the many other intangible virtues in life besides one's financial circumstances. It
puts things in perspective. On the other hand, there is nothing more depressing than losing one's financial shirt,
then stepping outside into either the dying environment of Fall or the cold miserable chill of Winter. Truly
depressing because those two seasons are seasons of decay and have traditionally been associated with much mass
depression and suicide.

So, it is interesting to note that severe troubles in the equities markets began in late July.

Now, the question is this: when will the culmination of the equities markets' trouble occur?

Again, I must say I would theorize that it will be sooner than later. Most of my friends who imagined an October
market debacle expressed definite intentions to exit no later than early to mid- September. They described
themselves as shrewd investors who would not allow themselves to be suckered into holding equities into
October.

So, the mass small investor psychology suggests September troubles before October problems.

The major objections to this thesis have been presented by those market professional investors who feel that, since
Goldman Sachs is NOT going public until late October....and since Treasury Secretary Rubin is a former partnerof
GS ( with some personal GS financial interests supposedly held in escrow ) , then surely, Rubin will do
everything in his power to ensure highly auspicious market conditions for Goldman's public offering...for his
own personal benefit as well as the benefit of former colleagues and friends.

This particular objection does have a certain compelling logic.

However, here are the central questions: can one man ( Rubin ) hold the entire US financial market together if the
mass investor psychology has truly shifted? Moreover, is it possible for Rubin to preclude the Bear downdraft
when it appears Fed Reserve ChairmanGreenspan is no longer preaching the America is Immune from Global
Economic Contagion gospel?

Finally, with Starr's impeachment report ready to be released any day now, it seems the President will receive
another ( maybe fatal ) blow to his credibility.

Essentially, with a government seemingly no longer united in purpose and interpretation of domestic economic
affairs....with a government whose leader no longer commands any credibility or respect from his very own
insiders and advisors ( after all, he lied to them for half a year! ) ....with a government that no longer commands
any credibility from foreign goverments ( after all, if Clinton lied to his very own inner circle, then how can
foreign leaders trust him? ) ....then one must wonder: can this same effete government preclude the apparent
urgent troubles facing America's markets and economy?

What do you think?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:09
Jujube__A (HEY PUETZ (Fspot)) ID#252286:
You won’t fool us with your lying gold shorting ways. You have been spreading misinformation here so you can short more gold and hurt all the good people of Kitco.

Stop your gold shorting F worm.
Haven’t you done enough harm already?
Stop lying to us all.
Nobody could sound as stupid as you without something up his sleeve.

The Fspot/Puetz gold short conspiracy must be made public!

Stop your lying, gold shorting ways.

Stop hurting people.



Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:09
farfel (REPOST: Greenspan Preparing Americans for Disaster?) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Talk about Paradigm Shift....only months ago, Greenspan testified that America was experiencing a virtuous
cycle, the continuation of the Goldilocks economy...not too hot, not too cold.

Now, all of a sudden, he is finally admitting that America cannot remain a paradisiacal island unto itself as global
economic devastation whirls around the globe ( See Article Below )

What a confession!! Moreover, the timing is very interesting as it is occuring just before the post-Labor Day week
when a virtual consensus of Bearish analysts is calling for market calamity.

Rubin ( who I categorically blame for allowing America to get into this mess ) must be livid! Imagine...Greenspan
is NOT willing to maintain the facade of unlimited American prosperity any longer.

The equities and bond markets are in a NO-WIN situation...raise or lower interest rates...either scenario spells
disaster. Lowering interest rates augurs inflation and kills both bonds and equities. Raising interest rates explodes
both the bonds and equities bubbles.

The only true solution is to reconstruct the global currency structure AFTER market equilibrium is restored at
whatever lower level it obtains. It will be necessary to fix the new global currency system against some kind of
standard ( gold maybe? ) .

Unfortunately, America has experienced a false prosperity this past decade at the expense of many suffering
nations. As I have written for over the past year, sadly, it seems that global economic collapse might be the only
condition compelling the major Superpowers to sit down together in one room and agree about the future direction
of global currencies and markets -- without equivocation or subterfuge or lack of purpose. As you may recall, for
the past year, I wrote that as long as America felt it could escape the contagion, then I hypothesized that the
country would NEVER take the necessary measures to stem the economic epidemic. So far I have been proven to
be correct.

So batten down the hatches...I think we have reached a point where it may be time for technicians to throw out
their charts. Future moves in the market may be extremely radical, NASB, and as such, highly unpredictable for
chartists that are accustomed to steady, dull, trend-like moves over the past decade.

PHYSICAL gold and silver...soon to be acknowledged as the true flight to safety.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Friday September 4, 7:46 pm Eastern Time

U.S. economy won't escape turmoil
effects-Greenspan

``It is just not credible that the United States can remain an oasis of prosperity unaffected by a world that is
experiencing greatly increased stress,'' Greenspan said in a speech at the University of California in Berkeley.

Although he did not directly comment on the bank's interest rate policy, Greenspan said it was a time to be
cautious, implying there would be no change soon in official U.S. interest rates. ``Clearly, the history of large
swings in investor confidence and equity premiums for rational and other reasons counsels caution in the current
context,'' he said.

Greenspan said that in the Spring and early Summer of this year Fed policymakers were concerned the strong
U.S. economy would fuel inflationary price pressures. But that fear had since abated and the Federal Open Market
Committee saw the risks as balanced between economic slowdown and inflation.
``By the time of the Committee's August meeting, the risks had become balanced, and the Committee will need to
consider carefully the potential ramifications of ongoing developments since that meeting,'' he said.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:04
Jujube__A (GOOD) ID#252286:
WE WILL CONTINUE THIS DAILY.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:03
Jujube__A (F DUMP) ID#252286:

I LIKE YOU. I LIKE PLAYING WITH YOU. YOU ARE FUN. YOU TURN RED AND SPIT DROOLS DOWN YOUR CHIN.CAN'T WE KEEP PLAYING UNTIL THE HIT MAN GETS HERE? YOU DID CALL THEM, DIDN'T YOU?

LIMIT UP
SHORT SQUEEZE


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:02
Rumpled (@ RED NEEK--Post your address, (if you don't mind), and we will talk. ) ID#411233:
Not much sense even trying in here, bullshits piled up to the ceiling, and
I can't get the windows open!

HAPPY GOLDEN!

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 21:00
farfel (@TYOUNG...ok, TYOUNG, enough is enough...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...I'll go back to the regular, non-emotional postings.

This RJ kid is an amazing irritant. A flea on a dog that cannot be excised. Just think...all of his unbridled hate toward me started when he described himself long ago as a whore and expressed great pride in that fact.

I simply asked him What kind of whore are you?

And he's been nuts about me ever since.

Completely nuts.

Yet, his intimidation tactics ( used against me and everyone else on K-1 )
are not going to work this time.

The world is changing.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:54
Jujube__A (REPOST) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
HE IS OBSESSED WITH RJ. HE THINKS I AM RJ.

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:46:22 +0100

From: Farfel

To: info@kitco.com

Dear Bart:

Thanks for your speedy reply to my E-Mail.

With respect to K-2, I wish you the best success. However, as it

stands, there are effectively few to zero posters there. In other

words, no audience.

It is pointless to write in a vacuum so I will NOT write on that forum.

I am sorry but there is already too much compulsory writing in my life

as it is.

With respect to RJ, we have substantive philosophical differences.

He is antagonistic toward me for several major reasons:

1 ) I refuse to post E-Mail and I steadfastly maintain my anonymity on

the K-1 forum. He considers this to be cowardly. However, I see

nothing wrong with this approach. One particular reason I maintain my

non-identity is owing to some of the radical, inflammatory concepts I

post on the forum. Many of these concepts upset people so severely that

I am afraid of literal, real, and violent retaliation, if not today then

maybe in the future. Since I have a wife I adore, I do not wish her to

become a target owing to my profound ability to upset and stir the

status quo.

2 ) I profess to have the ability to analyze the metals markets ALTHOUGH

I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL METALS TRADER NOR DO I SUBSCRIBE TO TECHNICAL CHARTIST THEORIES. For some reason, RJ feels that ONLY professional metal traders and technicians are qualified ( and should be allowed ) to provide analyses of the metals markets. My contention is that anybody

with a good brain ( regardless of professional background ) should be able

to posit any comments or theories about the metals markets.

3 ) I make extremely compelling, non-mainstream points about the

irrevocable value of gold and the American Establishment's neverending

war against gold. As my wife has often said, God blessed me with

uncanny writing skills that compel lemmings to stop and think...REALLY

think about the mindless catch-phrases and rigid beliefs dumbing down

our entire society.

However, despite the occasional, insincere comments to the contrary, RJ

is a relentless gold shorter. In fact, on several occasions, if you

check back on his old posts, he has made comments to the effect that he

wishes to short gold into the ground. He has declared in a variety of

posts that gold is effectively a relic of the past that should not play

a substantive role in the financial system any longer.

Now, Bart, anybody who plays both sides of a market ( as he so often

claims ) would never make such categorical, anti-gold statements. He is

philosophically a devout New Paradigm disciple...and they ALL believe

gold has absolutely no place whatsoever in the Grand New World Order

they are creating.

So, in essence, his anger toward me is based upon my refusal to accept

his assertion that he really plays both sides of the gold market. I

have declared him to be a phony in that regard. So, he will never

forgive my having called a spade a spade.

In that regard, he is extremely childish and his temper tantrums ( which

I have mocked ) are symptomatic of an inflated ego that simply cannot be

appeased.

Hence, until there is some type of maturation process on his part, I

cannot imagine a scenario yet in which an understanding can be reached

between us.

Thanks again for the opportunity to post on your forum in the past.

Again, it is a terrific site and an achievement that must make you very

proud.

Very Truly,

D. Farfel Cohen


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:54
farfel (@RJujube...anyway, kid, the sad fact of the matter..) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...is I am not going away.

MOZEL's not going away.

SAM__A 's not going away.

RHODY's not going away.

A. GOOSE's not going away.

TYOUNG's not going away...

HENRYD's not going away...

SDR'ER's not going away...

CRAZYTIMES not going away...

JONESY's not going away...

DONALD's not going away...

GOLLUM's not going away...

HAGGIS' not going away...

...etc., etc., etc.,....

Despite all your threats...your relatives at the FBI, IRS, CIA...
...your friends at the Canadian Mint and Southwest...
all your amazing power and influence...

...and none of us are packing. We're staying right here, firm in our beliefs.

Sad for you, kid, isn't it?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:54
Jujube__A (REPOST) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
HE IS OBSESSED WITH RJ. HE THINKS I AM RJ.

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:46:22 +0100

From: Farfel

To: info@kitco.com


Dear Bart:


Thanks for your speedy reply to my E-Mail.

With respect to K-2, I wish you the best success. However, as it
stands, there are effectively few to zero posters there. In other
words, no audience.

It is pointless to write in a vacuum so I will NOT write on that forum.
I am sorry but there is already too much compulsory writing in my life
as it is.

With respect to RJ, we have substantive philosophical differences.
He is antagonistic toward me for several major reasons:

1 ) I refuse to post E-Mail and I steadfastly maintain my anonymity on
the K-1 forum. He considers this to be cowardly. However, I see
nothing wrong with this approach. One particular reason I maintain my
non-identity is owing to some of the radical, inflammatory concepts I
post on the forum. Many of these concepts upset people so severely that
I am afraid of literal, real, and violent retaliation, if not today then
maybe in the future. Since I have a wife I adore, I do not wish her to
become a target owing to my profound ability to upset and stir the
status quo.

2 ) I profess to have the ability to analyze the metals markets ALTHOUGH
I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL METALS TRADER NOR DO I SUBSCRIBE TO TECHNICAL CHARTIST THEORIES. For some reason, RJ feels that ONLY professional metal traders and technicians are qualified ( and should be allowed ) to provide analyses of the metals markets. My contention is that anybody
with a good brain ( regardless of professional background ) should be able
to posit any comments or theories about the metals markets.

3 ) I make extremely compelling, non-mainstream points about the
irrevocable value of gold and the American Establishment's neverending
war against gold. As my wife has often said, God blessed me with
uncanny writing skills that compel lemmings to stop and think...REALLY
think about the mindless catch-phrases and rigid beliefs dumbing down
our entire society.

However, despite the occasional, insincere comments to the contrary, RJ
is a relentless gold shorter. In fact, on several occasions, if you
check back on his old posts, he has made comments to the effect that he
wishes to short gold into the ground. He has declared in a variety of
posts that gold is effectively a relic of the past that should not play
a substantive role in the financial system any longer.

Now, Bart, anybody who plays both sides of a market ( as he so often
claims ) would never make such categorical, anti-gold statements. He is
philosophically a devout New Paradigm disciple...and they ALL believe
gold has absolutely no place whatsoever in the Grand New World Order
they are creating.

So, in essence, his anger toward me is based upon my refusal to accept
his assertion that he really plays both sides of the gold market. I
have declared him to be a phony in that regard. So, he will never
forgive my having called a spade a spade.

In that regard, he is extremely childish and his temper tantrums ( which
I have mocked ) are symptomatic of an inflated ego that simply cannot be
appeased.

Hence, until there is some type of maturation process on his part, I
cannot imagine a scenario yet in which an understanding can be reached
between us.

Thanks again for the opportunity to post on your forum in the past.
Again, it is a terrific site and an achievement that must make you very
proud.


Very Truly,


D. Farfel Cohen


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:53
2BR02B? (Tyoung) ID#266105:

Still lurking, why I don't know.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:50
Jujube__A (REPOST) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
What do some others have to say about farfel? Let’s see how he is loved.
( For this is what he searches for. Sadly he does this like a bull in rut )


RETIRED SOLDIER ( F* ) ID#347235:
You really need help, I don't know why it is that you feel obligated to attack people once or twice a month you go on the rampages, disappear for a few days, come back acting somewhat better for a few days and then start up again.

CoolJing ( ) ID#343171:
Farfel claims to have bailed on gold, why is he freaking then? Truth no doubt is he didn't sell and is loosing patience, my guess is he has more than just beer money riding on gold. Doesn't excuse the behavior but I know the angst.

CharlieS__A ( LGB,Farfel,PH in LA ) ID#298380:
You yo-yos deserve each other.

ChasAbar__A ( Apology ) ID#340344:
I hereby apologize to all people in all countries of the world. Please understand that at the present time on this otherwise wonderful forum, there appears to be no limits to insulting behavior. I believe that no one is his right mind would write the comments that Farfel has been writing. I don't personally know *anyone* who takes pleasure in seeing economies and currencies collapsing. Rational people do not take pleasure in the sufferings of others. I do not think that *any* country is benefiting by the anguish and suffering which is happening in the world-wide financial markets. No one is happy. No one is smiling about it. I believe that Farfel is feeling ego-bruised, and angry. He speaks *only* for himself. I feel embarrassed by his postings.


JTF ( Looks like you are in a lousy mood! ) ID#57232:
Farfel: RE: Insults. Have you left anyone out? If you are invested 100% in gold or gold stocks, based on your own advice, I would suggest backing off a bit. That should do wonders for your mood.

John Disney__A ( The Tragic Tale of Farfel .. ) ID#24135:
Prince of fools.
Alas Poor Farfel ..
he hath fallen far ..
Prince Farfel, Richard of Cranium,
has become dedicated to making an idiot of himself..
Cease thy efforts sweet Prince or we may begin to love you less..

aurator ( ) ID#257148:
do have a wee peek below, at one of my recent posts, farfel has fallen far indeed.
John Disney__A ( The Farfel .. an extinct wingless bird ) ID#24135:
To all .. Farfel, poor thing, finally seems to have lost it..

Miro ( I finally read the last nigh posts and it makes me sick!! ) ID#347457:
Well folks, I went away for a couple of days, so all that talk about Farfel was not clear to me until I want and read the last night posts. Folks, this forum has seen a lot, however the last night was the most despicable show of human behavior I saw on this forum. I am sorry James, and the rest of people who were attacked by the rabid Farfel, and I would say that anybody who did not try to stop this sheer nonsense is a guilty as Farfel.

Now, if you want to, go ahead and accuse me of being anti-Semite. Yes, I am Catholic, but first I am a human. Reading the last night post make me sick and it would make me sick the same way if Catholic poster was attacking Jews the way Farfel did the other way around! Looks like this forum is attracting more and more sick minds on the Internet - not a good sign for gold!!


James ( Your silence was deafening@I've had some time to think over the unwarranted )
ID#252150: attacks on me by Farfetched re: anti-Semitism. None of you came to my defense & I'm well aware that a large % of the posters on this board are Jews. Furthermore, although the rabid, mad dog attacked my wife, no one spoke out. To say I was disappointed would be an understatement. Except for a very few posters on this board, I'm disappointed with the lot of you & think most ofyou are a bunch of insensitive, gutless wonders.


RETIRED SOLDIER ( More fun ) ID#347235:
It is more fun today because F* the conjoneless one has not posted today. It is always quiet and peaceful without him.

RJ ( ..... James ..... ) ID#410215:
You know I am empathetic to being at the receiving end of the club, and I thank you for you stalwart and humorous support of me in the past. The tone of the argument last night was so ugly and vicious, I can well see why most choose to stay right out of it. It was almost embarrassing to read, like witnessing a breakdown right before our eyes. Most were stunned into silence. There are no winners in that kind of brawl, but I believe the overwhelming majority of Kitco readers agree that that kind of rabid frothing is not welcome here. You have good right to be offended.

henryd__A ( RJ - I'm touched. ) ID#403274:

You singled me out... me. I'm honored, to say the least. Farfel's behavior has been inexcusable. He knows it, and so do you. Even at your worst ( rude, that is ) , you still stay within the bounds of good taste... F* hasn't. I have to conclude that either he's gone over the edge or he's pulling our collective legs.

HighRise ( Gold ) ID#401460
By the way, F* and others, Individuals should not log on to this site while under the influence. Your irrational immature dialog does not impress us, quite the contrary, your words are a waste of our time, we are forced to watch you make fools of your selves when we have much more important matters on our minds - like our investments for our family’s future. In the future, please take your problem some where else

HighRise ( RJ ) ID#401460:
There was nothing anyone could do or say that would improve the situation last night.
There was one other time that I know of when he did the same thing - he had either totally flipped out or was under the influence of something. No one can be rational with an irrational individual. One just becomes a co-dependent when trying to engage such a person in that condition. He is really sick.




Words That farfel does not like.

farfetched, fartful, farfelburger, farfelonious,

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:49
RETIRED SOLDIER (Rumpled(Pierre)) ID#347235:
It ees moi Le Neek rouge, is gud to sees yo agin, mah smart cusin Retired soljer let me on his puter sos AH kin talk to yo. Weuns is all goin to Germans sos Ret Soljer kin use de viagra on dem wimmins. How da job on da sex shop go? Go Golden & Silvers

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:47
farfel (I Like This Post....the FBI will Like it Too.) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

...and there are so many more like them.

Thanks.

F*
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Date: Tue Aug 04 1998 16:37
PH in LA ( Open letter to Farfel ( K-2 is down ) ) ID#225408:
HenryD:

I confirm your difficulty posting at K-2. I tried to post the
following to Farfel and got the same result. Since the
content was promised to RJujube last night and since he/they
has/have been commenting here about his/their
exploits all morning, I will post it here.

All:
Before I do, please allow me to dispell any impression that I am
advocating allowing Farfel back in here. I am not!
Actions do have consequences. Farfel must live with his. However,
banning him from posting at K-2 at the behest
of should not be one of them. With this caveat I offer the
following which was originally intended for K-2:

Farfel:

Contrary to what RJ/Jujube would have us believe, you do not have
to beg his permission to post at Kitco-2. All
you have to do is have the guts to post what you believe and what
you think is right. That is all...as long as Bart
lets you.

This is a matter that I have thought long and hard about. For
confirmation of this see my post of 19 May @ 18:14:

http://www.kitcomm.com/comments/gold/1998q2/1998_05/980519.181455.ph_in_lae.html
which posed a number of questions to RJ. They were never answered
by him, more likely because he never read
them than out of any reluctance to engage me on his part.

In any case, you are correct in noting that RJ seems to want to
be seen as some sort of authority figure at Kitco.
You are not the first poster he has taken it upon himself to run
out on a rail. ANOTHER was another.

LGB's opposition to ANOTHER was predictable. Opposition was all
he ever had to offer to any idea or premise (
with the exception of numismatic opinions ) . He was truly one of
Spiro Agnew's nattering nabobs of
negativism.

RJ's denigration of ANOTHER was more serious and betrayed more
sinister motives. Originally, I was willing to
believe that RJ was merely the consumate professional whose point
of view kept him so closely observant of
short-term market action that he lost sight of the big picture.
He seemed to have no interest in it, lacked the
fundemental knowledge to understand it, and admitted on occasion
that he was too caught up in the day-to-day
details to concern himself with it. Then why was he so opposed to
ANOTHER?

ANOTHER does understand and paint a big picture in very broad
strokes. His concepts go back to the history of
monetary agreements and international policies since before the
end of WWII, at least. He focused our attention on
the LBMA and the BIS, topics I never heard a word about from RJ.
We all gained in understanding from
ANOTHER. One might even suspect that you yourself have been
reading him from your comments yesterday
about the coming fate of the dollar.

So why did RJ want to send him packing?

Because anyone subscribing to ANOTHER's THOUGHTS would want to
buy gold ( and other PMs and certain
tangibles ) to hold them through the coming demise of the US
dollar. Such a person would not want to trade in and
out for mere short term gains and risk missing the big move. But
wait one darn minute! That is not the kind of
clientele RJ and his firm wants to develope, is it? Not at all.
Get em in and get em back out with a profit...nobody
ever went broke making a profit...etc. That keeps the margin
loans maxed out, he real money being made by
loaning the money to buy the metal. I'm sure you see my point.
Let's say a client buys 10,000 ozs of silver at
$4.50 and borrows 80% of the money to do so. Silver starts
climbing. At $7.00 the client still owes the same
$36,000. Wouldn't it be much better if you could get him to owe
interest on $56,000 instead? With the insurance
that if the price declined enough to trap him there he would have
to keep paying interest until he could get back out
again?

So a buy and hold mentality on the part of clients would put a
big chill on profits at Monex. Does RJ understand
this? You bet he does! He is a pro. Anyone who gets in the way
has to be removed. ANOTHER understood this
and did ask RJ if his firm was behind his attitudes. You accused
RJ of shorting the markets and driving prices
down. This could not be tolerated. You, Farfel had to be provoked
into unacceptable positions and language. You
were. ( By the way, your RJ/nazi immitation was not really that
good, but it did have its own flashes of brilliance.
) For my part, I personally am willing to extend RJ the benefit
of the doubt and suggest that with his severely
restricted, professional point of view he loses sight of some of
this from time to time. He is probably not as coldly
calculating as I have suggested. Yet his professionalism cannot
help but color his thinking.

Does any of this mean that RJ becomes the arbiter of content at
Kitco? I say no! He has his point of view, that is
all. Lately he seems to think that his contribution should be his
own withdrawal or your banishment, nothing less.
You don't have to confirm him in this! You are entitled to your
own point of view. I am entitled to mine. Every
poster has something to contribute. But it must be articulated
clearly.

Repetition does not always add clarity. In your case, clarity was
smothered in repetition.

Do not stop posting at K-2. Post better! Some of the more
open-minded among us will be there from time to time
to read what you write.


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:45
Jujube__A (YOU ARE SOUNDING VERY WIMPY... PICK UP THE PACE OKAY?) ID#252286:
DO YOU MEAN HOW MANY FEDERAL AGENTS AM I RELATED TO?
GOOD QUESTION............ CONSIDER THE ANSWERS......
YOU PICK THE AGANCY:
FBI
IRS
JUSTICE
STATE

MAKES YOU HEAD SPIN, DON'T IT?

FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:41
Jujube__A (repost) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

I will defend America from US bashing traitors like you. You hate this country. You deserve no better than a traitor does. Why don't you admit you are Steve Puetz? You aren't fooling anybody. As long as there are haters of the US like you around, I will defend it on the beaches, I will defend it in the fields, I will never surrender!!!!!!!

America.... Love it or leave.

Quit your America Hating posts. You are a disgrace. Your father would whip you like and ugly cur ( or did he already? ) ifn he heard the crap you sling about the greatest nation on earth. You hate America, you leave. We have ways of dealing with fools like you. Do we just pick up the phone?

LIMIT UP
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LIMIT UP
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LIMIT UP
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Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:41
farfel (I just Wonder...) ID#17077:
...how many FBI employees have had parents/grandparents/relatives scammed by stock market or PM salespeople?

Must be quite a few, don't you think?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:39
Jujube__A (Repost) ID#252286:
LIMIT UP, SONNY!!!!
DON'T LET THE TUMULT GET TO YOU!!!!!!!!
FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:37
farfel (Multiple Personality...He Thinks He's Funny...) ID#17077:
...boldly declaring that the DOW will certainly go to 10,0000...influencing old pensioners to stick their savings into the DOW...exhorting his crients to buy platinum and palladium because they can only go up.

Funny man.

Funny.

Keep laughing, funny man.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:35
Jujube__A (ONE MORE TIME!) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Jujube__A ( To bring newcomers up to date: ) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

farfel went berserk and completely lost his wig on June 29. He
wrote all that has appeared here, and much, much,
more. I going to let him lick the shoes of those he claims to
have offended on that day only. I will then prove his
harassment was an ongoing process that insulted everybody for
months.

He is a liar. His words prove it.

He now looks for places to place his lonely proboscis.

A sociopath does not realize what he has done is wrong.

Tim McViegh
Ted Kazinski
Marion Barry
Marv Albert
O.J. Simpson
D. Cohen ( FARFEL )
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Ted Bundy
Charles Manson

It is only a matter of degree

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:35
Rumpled (@RJ--I'm curious, am I the drunk, or one of the parrots?) ID#411233:


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:34
Jujube__A (I LOVE when you repost my stuff.... THANKS SONNY!!!!!) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
This one is so good, it is definitely worth a repost, thanks, spot boy!


Jujube__A ( To bring newcomers up to date: ) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

farfel went berserk and completely lost his wig on June 29. He
wrote all that has appeared here, and much, much,
more. I going to let him lick the shoes of those he claims to
have offended on that day only. I will then prove his
harassment was an ongoing process that insulted everybody for
months.

He is a liar. His words prove it.

He now looks for places to place his lonely proboscis.

A sociopath does not realize what he has done is wrong.

Tim McViegh
Ted Kazinski
Marion Barry
Marv Albert
O.J. Simpson
D. Cohen ( FARFEL )
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Ted Bundy
Charles Manson

It is only a matter of degree

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:31
Jujube__A (NO! DON'T DO IT!) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
DON'T SEND MY POSTS TO THE FBI! I'M SORRY I TELL YOU IM SORRY IM SORRY IM SORRY. NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE!! NOT THOSE FINGER BREAKERS. NOT THAT COLLECTION OF LIBERAL LEFT WING AMERICA HATERS? NOT THAT BUNCH OF APOLOGISTS FOR CLINTON. NOT THAT BAND OF LAME BRAINED THROW MONEY AT IT CUTTHROATS! NOT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE MORE HARM TO THIS COUNTRY THAN YOU EVER COULD!

I'LL STICK WITH THE FBI. MAKE SURE YOU SEND THEM RJ'S POSTS, I LIKE THEM AND WOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE THEM THOUGHT OF AS MINE!!!

WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH TRAITORS LIKE YOU.

FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:28
TYoung (F*...are you and RJ the same person...?) ID#370218:
Tom

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:26
TYoung (I'm sending in my X too...only she was nice...sure she has changed...I hope..) ID#370218:
TOM

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:26
farfel (@ALL...here it is, RJujube's Attack...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...on the President of the United States ( see below ) .

I think maybe the Secret Service should take a look at this post.

I'm sending it to them.

Thanks.

F*

_____________________________________________________
Date: Tue Aug 04 1998 01:00
Jujube__A ( To bring newcomers up to date: ) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

farfel went berserk and completely lost his wig on June 29. He
wrote all that has appeared here, and much, much,
more. I going to let him lick the shoes of those he claims to
have offended on that day only. I will then prove his
harassment was an ongoing process that insulted everybody for
months.

He is a liar. His words prove it.

He now looks for places to place his lonely proboscis.

A sociopath does not realize what he has done is wrong.

Tim McViegh
Ted Kazinski
Marion Barry
Marv Albert
O.J. Simpson
D. Cohen
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Ted Bundy
Charles Manson

It is only a matter of degree

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:24
Jujube__A (FSPOT CALLED THE MOB!!!!! ) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

HE CALLED THEM. HE TOLD THEM TO GET ME.

HELP HELP HELP

NO! NOT THE MOB!!!!! IF I TELL YOU I’M SORRY WILL YOU CALL OF THE HIT MAN?

JUST HOW DEEP ARE THOSE POCKETS? HARHARHARHARHARHAR!
I CAN PLAY YOU LIKE A HARP.
I PLUCK THE STRINGS AND YOU GO TWAAAAANG!!

HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP

FCRAP CALLED THE MAFIA ON ME. HE’S GONNA HAVE ME HIT. THE AMERICA HATING CRIMINAL IS THREATENING ME WITH PHYSICAL HARM. HE IS GOING TO HURT ME. YOU ALL SAW IT. YOU ALL DID. YOU DID. YOU DID SEE IT. HE’S GONNA GET ME!

HELP HELP HELP

SAVE ME FROM THE GIANT F WITH THE RUBBER!!

I THINK HE INTENDS TO USE IT!

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:21
Rumpled (OH YEAH!!---If you guys don't stop this, I'm going to call up my X wife, and report the both of you.) ID#411233:
If anybody can make your life a living hell, she's the indisputable champion!

HAPPY GOLDEN

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:21
farfel (@RJujube...I welcome the FBI into the picture....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...I would love to see them take a look at your collected posts...I would love them to take a look at the post in which you compare President Clinton to Ted Bundy and Kacynski. After all, he IS still President of the United States, isn't he?

So, therefore, any guy comparing our president to mass murderers and bomb mailing lunatics cannot be exactly pro-American, can he?

Oh, there are many posts you've written I would love to see them examine.

The Democratic National Committee would certainly enjoy looking them over too.

In fact, I've had enough of your crap....I'm compiling my own mailing list for some of your special posts that I have saved.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:21
TYoung (F*...post to me or others....only...save your effort) ID#370218:
Tom

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:12
Jujube__A (I FEAR FOR MY LIFE!!!!!) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Now he just LOVES America, after telling everybody for months how horrible and criminal our wonderful country is. He calls American names, he never fought for his country, he just sits inside and threatens people with rubbers and phone calls. What’s the matter, Fspot, can get a date? A SHORT SQUEEZE IS WHEN THE MARKET GOES DOWN, LIMIT UP TODAY ( ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NO LIMITS ) Ohhhhhhhh, but he knew it all along. That is a pretty convenient way of handling your mistakes you jerk, Oh I knew it all along….. most people quit using that excuse for there idiotic mistakes when they entered puberty. Give it up Fspot/Puetz, we are on to you now.

I will defend my country against US haters like you. The FBI will love your months of anti-American statements as they investigate your Internet threats. You pray for millions to loose there money in a great stock market crash. You shout with glee when people loose money. Why do you laugh so hard when people loose their money? Why do you wish for people live to be ruined? Why are you such a puffed chest blowhard lame brained US bashing phone picking web threatening idiot? Oh, that’s right, you knew it all the time. It does seem that you knew at all, all the time, yet you always put your foot in your mouth. You threatened me with bodily harm. Kitco is a Canadian Sight. The Canadian Supreme Court says Bart has to comply with a court order to disclose your name and address. Ohhhhhh, this is sooooooo fun!!!

You don’t happen to have deep pockets, do you? I just love deep pockets.

FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:12
TYoung (2BR02B....hope you are well and in good humor...if so it's just you n' me!!!) ID#370218:
Tom

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 20:02
farfel (@Rjujube...you called up the FBI) ID#17077:
Well, you called the wrong people, didn't you kid?

On the other hand, I called up.......................

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:59
2BR02B? (psssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss) ID#266105:

.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:59
Jujube__A (HELP HELP HELP) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

I'm calling the FBI!!!! Fspot is threatening me with physical harm. HELP HELP HELP.

STAY AWAY.... HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT RUBBER?
NO!!!! STOP!!!!!!! HELP HELP HELP. FSMUDGE WANTS TO F**K ME WITH A RUBBER!!!!!!!! STOP, YOU PERVERT, STOP……….. OWWWWWWWWWWWWW

( SQUEAL LIKE A PIG BOY )


I’m calling the FBI for your threats across an Internet Forum. Remember the Telecommunications bill? You just broke a Federal Law, sonny. Bart can be forced to disclose your name and any other info he has on you. You act the idiot, just like you talk the idiot. And you wade into every trap laid for you. Pick up the phone, sonny, pick it up. I already have, to the LAW!!!!!!!!

Booooohhoooooohhhoooohhhoohooohohohohohohohohjo F is after me!

FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARR!

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:56
farfel (@RJujube...I LOVE AMERICA....) ID#17077:
...and I have always loved America. I fought to be in this country. Repeat. I fought to be in this country.

You, on the other hand, lucked out and were merely born into it. What did you ever to do to earn your residence in this great land?

I wish to protect America from fascists like yourself...the DOW to 10,000 scam artists like yourself...the self-appointed policemen of America like yourself.

...AND I WILL!

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:56
TYoung (To whom it may concern.....talk about going over the deep end...wow!) ID#370218:
Off for a beer w/out permission.

Thanks F*...ignore Mr. multiple...whatever handle he/she uses.

TOM

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:50
Jujube__A (Fspot/Puetz is an America Hater!!!!!) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

I will defend America from US bashing traitors like you. You hate this country. You deserve no better than a traitor does. Why don't you admit you are Steve Puetz? You aren't fooling anybody. As long as there are haters of the US like you around, I will defend it on the beaches, I will defend it in the fields, I will never surrender!!!!!!!

America.... Love it or leave.

Quit your America Hating posts. You are a disgrace. Your father would whip you like and ugly cur ( or did he already? ) ifn he heard the crap you sling about the greatest nation on earth. You hate America, you leave. We have ways of dealing with fools like you. Do we just pick up the phone?

LIMIT UP
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FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:42
Jujube__A (F LOG) ID#252286:
LIMIT UP, SONNY!!!!
DON'T LET THE TUMULT GET TO YOU!!!!!!!!
FARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:40
farfel (@RJujube....what's the matter, kid?) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...this is a PM forum and I am entitled to post opinions. Do you think I care that some little punk like yourself is displeased by them. If you don't like them, set up your own forum and you can banish me from it ( not that anybody would want to post on your forum, I would think ) .

You are going to defend America? From what? From morons like yourself who are telling the world the stock market is going to 10,000? Probably have a load of gold coinage somewhere to protect yourself too...while telling all your buddies that they can never make a decent dollar holding gold and exhorting them to keep buying the Dow.

You're no different than Clinton, from what I can tell. You are extolling a false prosperity and declaring yourself to be the All-American hero? You're the type of weasel that would probably push stock on your own grandmother while buying puts.

You sound just like Clinton, too. Promiscuous little rot chasing after babes all the time. DO you even bother to wear a rubber, kid? There's AIDS out there you know.

Do you think you can intimidate me? Or any other people who are telling the Truth to the world? F**K YOU!

You best pray that your various prognostications come true, kid. The world looks like it's changing pretty fast....and where will you stand after you've told all your crients ( that's your term...the one you use to ridicule Japanese people, you racist little punk! ) to buy Plat and Palladium, stay away from gold because it's range-bound, and assured them that the DOW is going to 10,000.

Hey, I'll be there with all the other enraged crients who have bought your BS when it's payback time.

You should have paid closer attention to my earlier post in which I warned you to be careful WHO you ridicule and abuse relentlessly. You didn't do your research, kid.

That's really too bad.

Thanks.

F*



Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:30
Jujube__A (Oh I get it.) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You are obsessed with RJ. You dream about RJ. You see RJ around every corner. RJ is tattooed on the backs of your eyelids. You even think I am RJ. This proves you are stupid. I am Jujube, can’t you read?

Oh yeah, everybody is RJ. He is everywhere. You really MUST get some professional help. Other than that, you could always just jump off a cliff and improve the world.

So you tell people the PGMs are no good, in direct refutation of all the EXPERTS on the metals, because you are obsessed with RJ. It seems you are offering advice based on your emotions and your fears again. Didn’t you ever learn you should never let your fears take hold? You must combat youR fears F worm.

Don’t Fear RJ, he is kind and wonderful. He knows what he is talking about. I’m gonna; tell on you. HE will then rise up to smite you into a smelly smudge on the pavement. I will then bring my dog down there to sit on that smelly smear. An so you are remembered.

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Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:20
Jujube__A (Query) ID#252286:

Where did you do your PGM research you piece of rot?

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:18
Jujube__A (F virus) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Johnson Matthey, Engelhard, the CPM group, and most analysts on the face of the earth who actually know what they are talking about, all disagree with you regarding platinum and palladium. Could you tell us where you did your research? Your COIN DEALER? No wonder you make such idiotic statements. You know nothing of what you are talking about. Please back up your proclamations with facts.

Or is this just your empty, uninformed, guy at a cocktail party, coin dealer, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THE GREAT F CRAP SAID IT IS SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LIMIT UP
SHORT SQUEEZE

Your EGO is a wondrous thing to behold, and ALWAYS your downfall, you lump.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 19:11
Jujube__A (Let the games begin) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You damn fool. Limit up, sonny. Just like Clinton never inhaled, right? I could not be more pleased than with your lying transparent, Oh I knew all the time, oh yes indeed I knew that limits did not exist, only tumult… that’s it…. tumult….. yes…. I said tumult…. ( three times in one post, Paradigm Laddy? You never know what you think you do. You actually think that the gathered people here - an intelligent bunch if ever there was one - believe that crap? You look pathetic. You and your band of misfits. The only people who will talk to you are a drunk and a bunch of parrots. You are a very big fish in a completely insignificant pond. I will be here to hold your hand.

Forever, and ever, and ever, and ever…. ( Think Jack Nicholson in , The Shining )

F spot is Steve Puetz.
F bump is a racist
F smear hates America.
Why do you hate America, you jerk?
You don’t like it, leave.

We must drive this infidel from our shores. And stop his seed forever.

I will defend my country from the likes of this US bashing maniac.

Okay……………. Start……..

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 18:59
farfel (@TOM...and my definitive views on Plat and Palladium....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...are as follows:

There is absolutely no populist perception that Plat is an alternate form of currency or that it is any kind of financial reserve. In fact, speaking with my coin dealer, he tells me that for the past week, demand for gold and silver is far outstripping demand for plat coinage. Prior to last week's debacle, demand for plat coinage was holding up well ( if not doing better ) against demand for gold/silver.

In the event of a crash, industrial demand for both Plat and Palladium will tumble ( as both auto and computer sales will dive ) . Moreover, in a post-crash economy, in order to facilitate car sales and get the economy back on its feet, I would expect numerous governments to rescind catalytic converter laws ( by eliminating them altogether ) . In doing so,
they will effectively reduce the price of the cars sold, thereby enhancing the likelihood of future car sales.

Sell your plat and palladium...buy gold and silver.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 18:33
farfel (@TOM...thanks for the good words...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...always appreciate it.

Again, with respect to your earlier query about gold mining stocks, I do subscribe to the view that many will toss out the stocks with general equities in any severe downturn. However, as long as the price of gold remains steady or soars during the tumult ( that's the big question! ) , then I believe the gold stocks should slingshot in pattern, i.e., waves of sellers matched or surpassed by waves of buyers in alternating wave patterns of varying strength. I would imagine the XAU will be zipping around all over the place that day, up and down like a yo-yo. It will unnerve the hell out of most goldbugs and they will certainly be tempted to jump ship. I suppose in all the tumult it is even conceivable that certain currently weak gold/silver companies may be sold down to zero and bankrupted.

So, for those that wish to maintain a steady blood pressure during THE Storm, going to cash now is probably a good idea.

However in the end analysis, I would expect gold and gold stocks to move up strongly after the tumult. This said, it is up to every individual to determine what is his/her tolerance to pain and pressure. For those who are notably concerned, then holding gold equities today is probably not wise. Obviously, the safest bet is to hold the physical only.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 17:00
TYoung (F*...thought we were going to ignore Mr. multiple personage type person?) ID#317193:
Come now...not worth the effort. Can't wait for my cut and paste to reference his prior posts. If, and only if, I take the time. Which I doubt I shall.

Tom

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 16:58
Rumpled (That's good enough for me. See, that Farfel's not such a bad guy after all.) ID#411233:


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 16:20
farfel (@RUMPLED...re: CANADA...be absolutely certain of one thing....) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...I LOVE CANADA! I mean, I LOVE CANADA!

I love Canada so much that I am very concerned about what will happen to the beautiful country if Quebec should succeed in its quest for secession. It is very difficult for countries to remain viable once they are split in two geographically.

Also, in reference to my falling off the sane wagon back in June, please understand that tone of voice cannot be detected in forum posts.

So, when I spoke of Canada's fate as a 51st American state, I did so in a satirical manner. Unfortunately, with America completely preoccupied with domestic strength at the expense of all other nations...with the ultra-fascists on Wall Street taking aim at foreign countries that do not strictly adhere to American economic doctrine...then Canada's destiny is not particularly positive.

I resent America's ceaseless bullying of the great Canadian Nation. Their latest idea of forcing Canadians to carry identification cards at all times when visiting America is the ultimate slap in the face. Can you just imagine the American reaction if they were forced to carry identification cards when visiting Canada? Think how indignant they would be if they were randomly stopped and commanded to show their special ID card!

America has set a selfish economic course that is destroying nation after nation in this world solely for the benefit of America. Ironically, the tide is turning and America is about to feel the negative effects of the economic contagion it begat in S.E. Asia a year ago.

In conclusion, I pray for Canada and I hope it will overcome the problems afflicting it.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 16:00
farfel (@RJ (ujube)... oh, Psycho-Kid from Hell...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...just keep up the fan mail, kid!

You have nothing better to do with your life so enjoy yourself.

Hey, I have two words I want to tell you....

LIMIT UP! LIMIT UP! LIMIT UP! LIMIT UP! LIMIT UP!

( Hey, sorry those two words upset you so much. Actually, I've always liked the fact there are NO limits on the gold and silver markets. As I told a cousin several months back when he asked about the matter, the upside is infinity. His eyes lit up and he told me he would definitely load up on the metals ) .

By the way, tell me again, my PM wizard:

If perception does not matter in the Palladium market, then how can there be a market?

HARHORHARHORHARHORHARHOR!

Thanks.

F*

P.S. Seeing that you're feeling so bitter and lonely over the Labor Day Weekend, kid, then why not take a trip over to the Santa Monica Pier. Lots of young, single ladies and you might meet someone who will love you so much that she will overlook your tragic flaws and help you evolve into a likable person.

Just a suggestion.




Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 15:08
2BR02B? (Ft. Frances) ID#266105:

Still have family and friends in the area what's not scattered
to the four winds so I get back for a visit now and again. After
fifteen years absence it still speaks to me as 'home', as much
the land as the folks.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 14:52
Rumpled (FT. FRANCES) ID#411233:
Was just there last week. My sister and her family live there. Brother in
law works at the mill. The only good thing I can say about that whole area
is the FISHING. Caught a Northern Pike, about 7 lbs, on my second cast!

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 14:10
2BR02B? () ID#266105:

I spent my first thirty years or so on the Canadian border
of Minnesota, I.Falls/Ft. Frances.

No comment.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 13:52
Rumpled (HOWEVER!!!!) ID#411233:
I just remembered, that during Farfel's fall from the sane wagon, he called
my Country a barren wasteland, soon to become the 49th or 51st ( whatever ) state.

I expect an apology from him, to myself, and my fellow countrymen, on his
next post to this site.

THANK YOU
HAPPY GOLDEN
R*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 13:52
2BR02B? () ID#266105:

Boards always erupt into a spate of flame wars. It seems,
in the nature of them somehow. Throw the emotional touchstone
of money into the mix and it's doubly inevitable. There could
well be a wiseguy arguing with a fool but as it sinks to the
basest denominator how could an onlooker tell the difference.
Thus, ( scroll ) .

I miss the old Fidonet and its twit filters for cleaning
up a msgbase for more pleasant modemming. Like, bring back
the twit filters!!

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 13:41
Rumpled (@2BR02B---WELL SAID--Definitely a case of 6 of 1---Half a dozen of the other.) ID#411233:


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 13:15
2BR02B? (rumpled) ID#266105:

In my experience urine contests have more to do with
similarities than differences. ( smirk )

In preemptive response to response-- Acess denied. Nanananana.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 12:38
Rumpled (@RJ--Man you really hate this guy, don't you!!!) ID#411233:


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 11:39
Jujube__A (Query) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
How far is limit up farfelonius? As high as the sky? You want your current notoriety to hold, lay off the attacks. You have found a good home at the Eagle. It is a single minded place, and the collected wit there may add up to nearly a single mind, but I think it might be a taco or two short. Your latest writings are full of holes. Keep up your attacks and insults and we will delve into you numerous mistakes. These are fundamental problems which show your grasp of these markets is as tenuous as your grasp on reality. We will also post direct contradictions, in you own words, to your newly stated ideas to show how you blow like the wind or, as another sage noted, you blow….. We will put these contradictions side by side to illustrate your complete lack of understanding of these and other markets. THIS is the new paradigm, son. Welcome to the machine. You can't live in peace, because you don’t know how. That is ok but your actions carry a consequence and, like a vampire, the undead Jujube rises to once again be sticky, tasteless, gummy, and simply to much trouble to fool with, just like the candy. MMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm GOOOOooooood.

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 11:23
Jujube__A (Repost) ID#252286:
Copyright © 1998 Jujube__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
What do some others have to say about farfel? Let’s see how he is loved.

( For this is what he searches for. Sadly he does this like a bull in rut )

RETIRED SOLDIER ( F* ) ID#347235:

You really need help, I don't know why it is that you feel obligated to attack people once or twice a month you go on the rampages, disappear for a few days, come back acting somewhat better for a few days and then start up again.

CoolJing ( ) ID#343171:

Farfel claims to have bailed on gold, why is he freaking then? Truth no doubt is he didn't sell and is loosing patience, my guess is he has more than just beer money riding on gold. Doesn't excuse the behavior but I know the angst.

CharlieS__A ( LGB,Farfel,PH in LA ) ID#298380:

You yo-yos deserve each other.

ChasAbar__A ( Apology ) ID#340344:

I hereby apologize to all people in all countries of the world. Please understand that at the present time on this otherwise wonderful forum, there appears to be no limits to insulting behavior. I believe that no one is his right mind would write the comments that Farfel has been writing. I don't personally know *anyone* who takes pleasure in seeing economies and currencies collapsing. Rational people do not take pleasure in the sufferings of others. I do not think that *any* country is benefiting by the anguish and suffering which is happening in the world-wide financial markets. No one is happy. No one is smiling about it. I believe that Farfel is feeling ego-bruised, and angry. He speaks *only* for himself. I feel embarrassed by his postings.

JTF ( Looks like you are in a lousy mood! ) ID#57232:

Farfel: RE: Insults. Have you left anyone out? If you are invested 100% in gold or gold stocks, based on your own advice, I would suggest backing off a bit. That should do wonders for your mood.

John Disney__A ( The Tragic Tale of Farfel .. ) ID#24135:

Prince of fools.

Alas Poor Farfel ..

he hath fallen far ..

Prince Farfel, Richard of Cranium,

has become dedicated to making an idiot of himself..

Cease thy efforts sweet Prince or we may begin to love you less..

aurator ( ) ID#257148:

do have a wee peek below, at one of my recent posts, farfel has fallen far indeed.

John Disney__A ( The Farfel .. an extinct wingless bird ) ID#24135:

To all .. Farfel, poor thing, finally seems to have lost it..

Miro ( I finally read the last nigh posts and it makes me sick!! ) ID#347457:

Well folks, I went away for a couple of days, so all that talk about Farfel was not clear to me until I want and read the last night posts. Folks, this forum has seen a lot, however the last night was the most despicable show of human behavior I saw on this forum. I am sorry James, and the rest of people who were attacked by the rabid Farfel, and I would say that anybody who did not try to stop this sheer nonsense is a guilty as Farfel.

Now, if you want to, go ahead and accuse me of being anti-Semite. Yes, I am Catholic, but first I am a human. Reading the last night post make me sick and it would make me sick the same way if Catholic poster was attacking Jews the way Farfel did the other way around! Looks like this forum is attracting more and more sick minds on the Internet - not a good sign for gold!!

James ( Your silence was deafening@I've had some time to think over the unwarranted )

ID#252150: attacks on me by Farfetched re: anti-Semitism. None of you came to my defense & I'm well aware that a large % of the posters on this board are Jews. Furthermore, although the rabid, mad dog attacked my wife, no one spoke out. To say I was disappointed would be an understatement. Except for a very few posters on this board, I'm disappointed with the lot of you & think most ofyou are a bunch of insensitive, gutless wonders.

RETIRED SOLDIER ( More fun ) ID#347235:

It is more fun today because F* the conjoneless one has not posted today. It is always quiet and peaceful without him.

RJ ( ..... James ..... ) ID#410215:

You know I am empathetic to being at the receiving end of the club, and I thank you for you stalwart and humorous support of me in the past. The tone of the argument last night was so ugly and vicious, I can well see why most choose to stay right out of it. It was almost embarrassing to read, like witnessing a breakdown right before our eyes. Most were stunned into silence. There are no winners in that kind of brawl, but I believe the overwhelming majority of Kitco readers agree that that kind of rabid frothing is not welcome here. You have good right to be offended.

henryd__A ( RJ - I'm touched. ) ID#403274:

You singled me out... me. I'm honored, to say the least. Farfel's behavior has been inexcusable. He knows it, and so do you. Even at your worst ( rude, that is ) , you still stay within the bounds of good taste... F* hasn't. I have to conclude that either he's gone over the edge or he's pulling our collective legs.

HighRise ( Gold ) ID#401460

By the way, F* and others, Individuals should not log on to this site while under the influence. Your irrational immature dialog does not impress us, quite the contrary, your words are a waste of our time, we are forced to watch you make fools of your selves when we have much more important matters on our minds - like our investments for our family’s future. In the future, please take your problem some where else

HighRise ( RJ ) ID#401460:

There was nothing anyone could do or say that would improve the situation last night.

There was one other time that I know of when he did the same thing - he had either totally flipped out or was under the influence of something. No one can be rational with an irrational individual. One just becomes a co-dependent when trying to engage such a person in that condition. He is really sick.

Words That farfel does not like.

farfetched, fartful, farfelburger, farfelonious,


Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 01:57
farfel (For Those Who Asked, The Preceding Two Reposts....) ID#17077:
....should give some indication pertaining to my thoughts on the future direction of the markets.

Beyond that, I cannot ( and will not ) make any categorical predictions.

Read these two reposts closely.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 01:51
farfel (REPOST: Nobody Wants to be A Sucker.) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

As some of you may recall, I wrote several months ago about my speculation that the equities markets would begin to experience trouble in the Summer.

My central thesis revolved around the fact that a consensus of market analysts and market investors ( I personally polled ) believed that weakness would not begin until October.

Furthermore, I theorized that the government would be more inclined to allow the equities bubble to pop during Summer for psychological reasons since Summer is a time when the people would be in a more optimistic frame of mind ( surrounded by singing birds and flowers and sunshine, etc. ) . After a person takes a severe financial hit, he may take some solace in seeing the many other intangible virtues in life besides one's financial circumstances. It puts things in perspective. On the other hand, there is nothing more depressing than losing one's financial shirt, then stepping outside into either the dying environment of Fall or the cold miserable chill of Winter. Truly depressing because those two seasons are seasons of decay and have traditionally been associated with much mass depression and suicide.

So, it is interesting to note that severe troubles in the equities markets began in late July.

Now, the question is this: when will the culmination of the equities markets' trouble occur?

Again, I must say I would theorize that it will be sooner than later. Most of my friends who imagined an October market debacle expressed definite intentions to exit no later than early to mid- September. They described themselves as shrewd investors who would not allow themselves to be suckered into holding equities into October.

So, the mass small investor psychology suggests September troubles before October problems.

The major objections to this thesis have been presented by those market professional investors who feel that, since Goldman Sachs is NOT going public until late October....and since Treasury Secretary Rubin is a former partnerof GS ( with some personal GS financial interests supposedly held in escrow ) , then surely, Rubin will do everything in his power to ensure highly auspicious market conditions for Goldman's public offering...for his own personal benefit as well as the benefit of former colleagues and friends.

This particular objection does have a certain compelling logic.

However, here are the central questions: can one man ( Rubin ) hold the entire US financial market together if the mass investor psychology has truly shifted? Moreover, is it possible for Rubin to preclude the Bear downdraft when it appears Fed Reserve ChairmanGreenspan is no longer preaching the America is Immune from Global Economic Contagion gospel?

Finally, with Starr's impeachment report ready to be released any day now, it seems the President will receive another ( maybe fatal ) blow to his credibility.

Essentially, with a government seemingly no longer united in purpose and interpretation of domestic economic affairs....with a government whose leader no longer commands any credibility or respect from his very own insiders and advisors ( after all, he lied to them for half a year! ) ....with a government that no longer commands any credibility from foreign goverments ( after all, if Clinton lied to his very own inner circle, then how can foreign leaders trust him? ) ....then one must wonder: can this same effete government preclude the apparent urgent troubles facing America's markets and economy?

What do you think?

Thanks.

F*

Date: Sun Sep 06 1998 01:48
farfel (REPOST: Greenspan Preparing Americans for Disaster?) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Talk about Paradigm Shift....only months ago, Greenspan testified that America was experiencing a virtuous cycle, the continuation of the Goldilocks economy...not too hot, not too cold.

Now, all of a sudden, he is finally admitting that America cannot remain a paradisiacal island unto itself as global economic devastation whirls around the globe ( See Article Below )

What a confession!! Moreover, the timing is very interesting as it is occuring just before the post-Labor Day week when a virtual consensus of Bearish analysts is calling for market calamity.

Rubin ( who I categorically blame for allowing America to get into this mess ) must be livid! Imagine...Greenspan is NOT willing to maintain the facade of unlimited American prosperity any longer.

The equities and bond markets are in a NO-WIN situation...raise or lower interest rates...either scenario spells disaster. Lowering interest rates augurs inflation and kills both bonds and equities. Raising interest rates explodes both the bonds and equities bubbles.

The only true solution is to reconstruct the global currency structure AFTER market equilibrium is restored at whatever lower level it obtains. It will be necessary to fix the new global currency system against some kind of standard ( gold maybe? ) .

Unfortunately, America has experienced a false prosperity this past decade at the expense of many suffering nations. As I have written for over the past year, sadly, it seems that global economic collapse might be the only condition compelling the major Superpowers to sit down together in one room and agree about the future direction of global currencies and markets -- without equivocation or subterfuge or lack of purpose. As you may recall, for the past year, I wrote that as long as America felt it could escape the contagion, then I hypothesized that the country would NEVER take the necessary measures to stem the economic epidemic. So far I have been proven to be correct.

So batten down the hatches...I think we have reached a point where it may be time for technicians to throw out their charts. Future moves in the market may be extremely radical, NASB, and as such, highly unpredictable for chartists that are accustomed to steady, dull, trend-like moves over the past decade.

PHYSICAL gold and silver...soon to be acknowledged as the true flight to safety.

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Friday September 4, 7:46 pm Eastern Time

U.S. economy won't escape turmoil
effects-Greenspan

``It is just not credible that the United States can remain an oasis of prosperity unaffected by a world that is experiencing greatly increased stress,'' Greenspan said in a speech at the University of California in Berkeley.

Although he did not directly comment on the bank's interest rate policy, Greenspan said it was a time to be cautious, implying there would be no change soon in official U.S. interest rates. ``Clearly, the history of large swings in investor confidence and equity premiums for rational and other reasons counsels caution in the current context,'' he said.

Greenspan said that in the Spring and early Summer of this year Fed policymakers were concerned the strong U.S. economy would fuel inflationary price pressures. But that fear had since abated and the Federal Open Market Committee saw the risks as balanced between economic slowdown and inflation.
``By the time of the Committee's August meeting, the risks had become balanced, and the Committee will need to consider carefully the potential ramifications of ongoing developments since that meeting,'' he said.

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