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1997-1999

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Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 23:08
farfel (@TOM....and let me tell you one more thing about GOLD...) ID#17077:
...thingie, indeedy, fumpy, lurky, jerky, scoobeedoobeedoobee,
and other miscellaneous baby talk.

( WAAAAAH, WAAAAAAH, I want my Mommy! )

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 22:55
Max__A (Some thoughts on equities ) ID#27085:
Copyright © 1998 Max__A/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
Gold stocks were reluctant losers today. ASA is holding to its lows of last week. Conventional wisdom was that tomorrow would open down and reverse mid-day or later, ideally from about 6900 on the DOW. At this hour however, the S&P futures are up 17 points, suggesting that a reversal from lower lows may not be in the cards.

Also, the OEX is still up about 2.4% for the year and this does not give confidence that a low of any duration has been made in any equity class.
The one constant we've seen thus far is - when equities in general are going down, so are gold stocks. A reversal in this relationship would be joyful.

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 22:53
farfel (@TOM..where do I see GOLD...HARHARHARHARHARHARHAR) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
...it's going thru the roof, TOM.

THROUGH THE F*ING ROOF!!

Take note of these words: LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP.
LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP.
LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP.
LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP.
LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP. LIMIT UP.

Remember, I called a summertime equities debacle and wrote 1000 words to that effect. Do you remember?

Dead On!

I feel bad for all those unfortunates snookered into this market by the WALL STREET criminials.

Now I see A GOLD SHORT DEBACLE...within the next few days! Armstrong selling pencils on a street corner. Merrill Lynch's O'Neil selling his blood for money. Ted Arnold, a male prostitute doing miserable business.

As they sneered and ridiculed goldbugs, so shall they be treated!

What's happening to their almighty US BUCK? Tell me, TOM? TELL ME!!

And those anti-gold hedge funds....OHMIGOD! What's happening to them, TOM?

HARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR
HARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR
HARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHARHAR

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 21:36
TYoung (F*...rise above the derisive remarks...what see yea...) ID#317193:
I see currencies going up in smoke and derivatives...burning.

Tom

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 21:33
farfel (GOLD SHORTS ABOUT TO GET CREAMED!!!!) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You doubt me?

THen answer the following questions:

1 ) Where do gold shorts obtain most of their funds? HINT: NOT from shorting gold.
2 ) WHich hedge funds have been devastated by the August market debacle and will be unable to seed future gold
shorting?
3 ) Who has been consolidating cash recently in order to buy gold and take delivery?
4 ) WHich entity is preparing a short attack upon the US Buck?

Can you answer these questions?

THANKS.

Indeedy. Thingie. Fumpy. Scoobeedoobeedoobee.

( and other miscellaneous baby talk )

F*
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Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 02:39
farfel ( OLDMAN & GOLD... ) ID#17077:
Copyright 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
As I have said in the past, I believe the Oldman is a shrewd trader, although he was late in recognizing the Bear
Market this summer. However, I remain firmly convinced that his assessment of gold and silver is completely off
the mark.

As I have oft mentioned in the past, I always felt that goldbugs would fail to recognize the paradigm shift when it
finally arrived. In fact, to date, I have been proven correct.

The paradigm shift in general equities was NOT sparked by goldbugs nor bears. It was sparked by ultra-bull
Ralph Acampora...it took a major stock Bull analyst to concretize the paradigm shift we are now witnessing. No
surprise there. Goldbugs and chronic bears are members of a minority and I always contended that the paradigm
shift MUST be instigated by a change of heart in the leading members of the majority, namely the general equities
bulls. Why? Because, essentially, goldbugs and bears have had next to ZERO credibility this past decade. Sharp
analysts like Puetz have beem mocked and derided an dismissed as effective retards.

On the other hand, a fellow like Acampora has been heralded as one of the Stock Bull's demigods. Not because
his analysis is so astute or well-educated but simply because, with a combination of corrupt government
intervention in the markets and a good deal of luck, he has proven to be correct. So, when a fellow who
commands such reverence amongst stock bulls turns bearish, THAT is a major event!

As part of this paradigm shift, GOLD MUST RISE! Yes, it is very discouraging to see gold fall with the general
market. So discouraging that most goldbugs are finally surrendering and dumping their gold equities....in some
cases, even their physical. Again, this is because most goldbugs have failed to recognized the new paradigm shift.
However, it should come as no surprise that a time lag exists between the start of a general equities bear and a real
substantive gold bull.

First, people must ACCEPT the reality of the general equities bear. Once acceptance takes place, then they must do

some research and investigation as to alternative bearish investments. Naturally, their own financial advisors push
bonds and Utes as flights to safety, at the same time continuing to extoll key bullish investments. However, once
these various, purported flights to safety prove to be as susceptible to a downslide as equities, then these same
disillusioned investors will begin to listen to the fringe and/or peripheral analysts.

For example, since I have been bearish for some time, as such I am a member of this lunatic fringe. I am well
aware of the standard reactions to this lunatic bearishness. People raise their eyes and look far off into space
when you attempt to explain the paradigm shift that is occurring and will continue to develop. Yet, now I am
seeing evidence of the paradigm shift slowly developing into a populist fever. I am receiving more and more phone

calls from people who, in the past, listened politely to my analyses at best or simply chose to cut off all
communication with me, regarding me as a doomsaying oddball. Today, these people are calling me up for
opinions and analysis. Their own investment advisors appear uncertain, confused, and nervous. They no longer
recommend equities with heart-felt conviction...they're not really certain about bonds. They're not really sure
Clinton is good for the country or ever was. Basically, as they see their world crumble around them, they're not
sure if up is up or down is down anymore.

So, people are calling and they're asking, Where do I buy gold and silver? How should I buy gold and silver? It
is really an amazing phenomenon to see, given that so many of these individuals would normally have shunned me

if I walked into a room.

Yet, when they call me, they find that nothing has changed. I still speak with full conviction that PM's are the
ONLY flight to safety in the new economic devolution spreading across the world. I still extoll various gold and
silver producers as inevitable beneficiaries of this flight to safety. I still state categorically that NOT all paper will
burn in a market crash...it NEVER did before, why now? Nothing has changed in my perspective. I am solid as a
rock ( as Bob Seger would say ) and people gravitate toward analysts with pure unqualified conviction. It is all
part of the paradigm shift.

Falling demand for gold in Asia or Europe? Falling silver demand in India? Big F*ing Deal!! It will be more than
made up for by an amazing surge of PM demand right here in N. America and Europe as people clamber for an
investment alternative to collapsing equities and bonds. Rest assured that the bonds bubble will burst, independent
of the direction of interest rates. With an equities market collapse, many companies will become insolvent and
unable to make payments on their bonds. Many statea and local governments will also become insolvent and fail
on their payments. The resultant panic in the bonds market will prove devastating.

As an alternative investment which acts as a hedge against global currency chaos, GOLD and SILVER are it!
Deflation, when it triggers pandemic currency crises, CANNOT result in the negation of gold and silver in the long

run. There simply are no other historical flights to safety available.

Finally, One thing I speak of with the utmost conviction is this: last Thursday, the gold shorts piled on when gold
broke technical support at 278. It was NO accident. Gold was ALLOWED to break technical support; it did not do
so on its own momentum or of its volition. Very shortly, we will see a consortium of CB's, power players, and
institutions bid gold through the roof. So, unfortunately, the upsurge in gold shorting was a major and fatal
mistake for the funds that did so and, shortly ( I would guess within several weeks ) , they will ALL be wiped out.



Repeat. They will ALL be wiped out.

I say this without qualification and without a shadow of a doubt.

GOLD and SILVER have been set up for short squeezes of monumental proportion. There is simply little to no
eligible gold/silver inventories available against the massive demand that is building up.

Yes, it is true that commodities fall during deflations. However, what the PM shorts never fully understood is this:

gold and silver never were, and are not, and never will be mere commodities.

There never was a NEW PARADIGM.

Just go ask Acampora.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 21:31
farfel (GOLD SHORTS ABOUT TO GET CREAMED....CREEEAAAAMMMMMEDD!) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
You doubt me?

THen answer the following questions:

1 ) Where do gold shorts obtain most of their funds? HINT: NOT from shorting gold.
2 ) WHich hedge funds have been devastated by the August market debacle and will be unable to seed future gold shorting?
3 ) Who has been consolidating cash recently in order to buy gold and take delivery?
4 ) WHich entity is preparing a short attack upon the US Buck?

Can you answer these questions?

THANKS.

Indeedy. Thingie. Fumpy. Scoobeedoobeedoobee.

( and other miscellaneous baby talk )

F*
---------------
Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 02:39
farfel ( OLDMAN & GOLD... ) ID#17077:
Copyright 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
As I have said in the past, I believe the Oldman is a shrewd trader, although he was late in recognizing the Bear
Market this summer. However, I remain firmly convinced that his assessment of gold and silver is completely off
the mark.

As I have oft mentioned in the past, I always felt that goldbugs would fail to recognize the paradigm shift when it
finally arrived. In fact, to date, I have been proven correct.

The paradigm shift in general equities was NOT sparked by goldbugs nor bears. It was sparked by ultra-bull
Ralph Acampora...it took a major stock Bull analyst to concretize the paradigm shift we are now witnessing. No
surprise there. Goldbugs and chronic bears are members of a minority and I always contended that the paradigm
shift MUST be instigated by a change of heart in the leading members of the majority, namely the general equities
bulls. Why? Because, essentially, goldbugs and bears have had next to ZERO credibility this past decade. Sharp
analysts like Puetz have beem mocked and derided an dismissed as effective retards.

On the other hand, a fellow like Acampora has been heralded as one of the Stock Bull's demigods. Not because
his analysis is so astute or well-educated but simply because, with a combination of corrupt government
intervention in the markets and a good deal of luck, he has proven to be correct. So, when a fellow who
commands such reverence amongst stock bulls turns bearish, THAT is a major event!

As part of this paradigm shift, GOLD MUST RISE! Yes, it is very discouraging to see gold fall with the general
market. So discouraging that most goldbugs are finally surrendering and dumping their gold equities....in some
cases, even their physical. Again, this is because most goldbugs have failed to recognized the new paradigm shift.
However, it should come as no surprise that a time lag exists between the start of a general equities bear and a real
substantive gold bull.

First, people must ACCEPT the reality of the general equities bear. Once acceptance takes place, then they must do
some research and investigation as to alternative bearish investments. Naturally, their own financial advisors push
bonds and Utes as flights to safety, at the same time continuing to extoll key bullish investments. However, once
these various, purported flights to safety prove to be as susceptible to a downslide as equities, then these same
disillusioned investors will begin to listen to the fringe and/or peripheral analysts.

For example, since I have been bearish for some time, as such I am a member of this lunatic fringe. I am well
aware of the standard reactions to this lunatic bearishness. People raise their eyes and look far off into space
when you attempt to explain the paradigm shift that is occurring and will continue to develop. Yet, now I am
seeing evidence of the paradigm shift slowly developing into a populist fever. I am receiving more and more phone
calls from people who, in the past, listened politely to my analyses at best or simply chose to cut off all
communication with me, regarding me as a doomsaying oddball. Today, these people are calling me up for
opinions and analysis. Their own investment advisors appear uncertain, confused, and nervous. They no longer
recommend equities with heart-felt conviction...they're not really certain about bonds. They're not really sure
Clinton is good for the country or ever was. Basically, as they see their world crumble around them, they're not
sure if up is up or down is down anymore.

So, people are calling and they're asking, Where do I buy gold and silver? How should I buy gold and silver? It
is really an amazing phenomenon to see, given that so many of these individuals would normally have shunned me
if I walked into a room.

Yet, when they call me, they find that nothing has changed. I still speak with full conviction that PM's are the
ONLY flight to safety in the new economic devolution spreading across the world. I still extoll various gold and
silver producers as inevitable beneficiaries of this flight to safety. I still state categorically that NOT all paper will
burn in a market crash...it NEVER did before, why now? Nothing has changed in my perspective. I am solid as a
rock ( as Bob Seger would say ) and people gravitate toward analysts with pure unqualified conviction. It is all
part of the paradigm shift.

Falling demand for gold in Asia or Europe? Falling silver demand in India? Big F*ing Deal!! It will be more than
made up for by an amazing surge of PM demand right here in N. America and Europe as people clamber for an
investment alternative to collapsing equities and bonds. Rest assured that the bonds bubble will burst, independent
of the direction of interest rates. With an equities market collapse, many companies will become insolvent and
unable to make payments on their bonds. Many statea and local governments will also become insolvent and fail
on their payments. The resultant panic in the bonds market will prove devastating.

As an alternative investment which acts as a hedge against global currency chaos, GOLD and SILVER are it!
Deflation, when it triggers pandemic currency crises, CANNOT result in the negation of gold and silver in the long
run. There simply are no other historical flights to safety available.

Finally, One thing I speak of with the utmost conviction is this: last Thursday, the gold shorts piled on when gold
broke technical support at 278. It was NO accident. Gold was ALLOWED to break technical support; it did not do
so on its own momentum or of its volition. Very shortly, we will see a consortium of CB's, power players, and
institutions bid gold through the roof. So, unfortunately, the upsurge in gold shorting was a major and fatal
mistake for the funds that did so and, shortly ( I would guess within several weeks ) , they will ALL be wiped out.


Repeat. They will ALL be wiped out.

I say this without qualification and without a shadow of a doubt.

GOLD and SILVER have been set up for short squeezes of monumental proportion. There is simply little to no
eligible gold/silver inventories available against the massive demand that is building up.

Yes, it is true that commodities fall during deflations. However, what the PM shorts never fully understood is this:
gold and silver never were, and are not, and never will be mere commodities.

There never was a NEW PARADIGM.

Just go ask Acampora.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 20:20
farfel (Well, well, it looks like Puetz is THE man...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
..congrats to this man for having the balls to come out and make his tremendous bear market call in the face of much hostility from the usual bunch of malicious morons.

I say balls because it takes guts and courage to go with one's convictions in the face of hostile derision from the usual group of one-track idiots, specifically LGibberish, RotJerk, and Realistic Nitwit.

Hey, Realistic Nitwit, where are all your posts ad nauseum describing Puetz's erroneous market calls? What happened? Did you get your butt kicked today?

In the face of Puetz' tremendous call, these guys still have the audacity to come onto this forum and denigrate the man.

Hey, Run for cover, kids.

And just remember who called this one kids?

Congrats again, Puetz.

You're Da Man.

Indeedy. Thingie. Fumpy. Scoobeedoobeedoobee.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 20:17
farfel (Well, well, it looks like Puetz is a THE man...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
..congrats to this man for having the balls to come out and make his tremendous market call in the face of much hostility from the usual bunch of malicious morons.

I say balls because it takes guts and courage to go with one's convictions in the face of hostile derision from the usual group of one-track idiots, specifically LGibberish, RotJerk, and Realistic Nitwit.

Hey, Realistic Nitwit, where are all your posts ad nauseum describing Puetz's erroneous market calls? What happened? Did you get your butt kicked today?

In the face of Puetz' tremendous call, these guys still have the audacity to come onto this forum and denigrate the man.

Hey, Run for cover, kids.

And just remember who called this one kids?

Congrats again, Puetz.

You're Da Man.

Indeedy. Thingie. Fumpy. Scoobeedoobeedoobee.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 08:10
Fred (To: farfel) ID#341234:
-
I agree with you that gold will fly, but I am not sure about the timing. I still think that the strong dollar will have to run its course before gold will make its move. Do you think it is possible for them both to gain strength together? I do not know how long this dollar cycle will last, but 1-2 years is my guess. After it is over for the dollar, gold may be the ONLY safe haven.

I think that generally, gold bugs are pretty good at recognizing paradigm shifts because they are willing to think for themselves. The one thing they are bad at is predicting gold, because they like it too much, and you should never fall in love with an investment. This stock market bear was easy to predict for anyone not brain washed by the media, and I believe the eventual gold bull will be easy to see also for anyone who keeps their eyes open and keeps reading Kitco.

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 02:39
farfel (OLDMAN & GOLD...) ID#17077:
Copyright © 1998 farfel/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
As I have said in the past, I believe the Oldman is a shrewd trader, although he was late in recognizing the Bear Market this summer. However, I remain firmly convinced that his assessment of gold and silver is completely off the mark.

As I have oft mentioned in the past, I always felt that goldbugs would fail to recognize the paradigm shift when it finally arrived. In fact, to date, I have been proven correct.

The paradigm shift in general equities was NOT sparked by goldbugs nor bears. It was sparked by ultra-bull Ralph Acampora...it took a major stock Bull analyst to concretize the paradigm shift we are now witnessing. No surprise there. Goldbugs and chronic bears are members of a minority and I always contended that the paradigm shift MUST be instigated by a change of heart in the leading members of the majority, namely the general equities bulls. Why? Because, essentially, goldbugs and bears have had next to ZERO credibility this past decade. Sharp analysts like Puetz have beem mocked and derided an dismissed as effective retards.

On the other hand, a fellow like Acampora has been heralded as one of the Stock Bull's demigods. Not because his analysis is so astute or well-educated but simply because, with a combination of corrupt government intervention in the markets and a good deal of luck, he has proven to be correct. So, when a fellow who commands such reverence amongst stock bulls turns bearish, THAT is a major event!

As part of this paradigm shift, GOLD MUST RISE! Yes, it is very discouraging to see gold fall with the general market. So discouraging that most goldbugs are finally surrendering and dumping their gold equities....in some cases, even their physical. Again, this is because most goldbugs have failed to recognized the new paradigm shift. However, it should come as no surprise that a time lag exists between the start of a general equities bear and a real substantive gold bull.

First, people must ACCEPT the reality of the general equities bear. Once acceptance takes place, then they must do some research and investigation as to alternative bearish investments. Naturally, their own financial advisors push bonds and Utes as flights to safety, at the same time continuing to extoll key bullish investments. However, once these various, purported flights to safety prove to be as susceptible to a downslide as equities, then these same disillusioned investors will begin to listen to the fringe and/or peripheral analysts.

For example, since I have been bearish for some time, as such I am a member of this lunatic fringe. I am well aware of the standard reactions to this lunatic bearishness. People raise their eyes and look far off into space when you attempt to explain the paradigm shift that is occurring and will continue to develop. Yet, now I am seeing evidence of the paradigm shift slowly developing into a populist fever. I am receiving more and more phone calls from people who, in the past, listened politely to my analyses at best or simply chose to cut off all communication with me, regarding me as a doomsaying oddball. Today, these people are calling me up for opinions and analysis. Their own investment advisors appear uncertain, confused, and nervous. They no longer recommend equities with heart-felt conviction...they're not really certain about bonds. They're not really sure Clinton is good for the country or ever was. Basically, as they see their world crumble around them, they're not sure if up is up or down is down anymore.

So, people are calling and they're asking, Where do I buy gold and silver? How should I buy gold and silver? It is really an amazing phenomenon to see, given that so many of these individuals would normally have shunned me if I walked into a room.

Yet, when they call me, they find that nothing has changed. I still speak with full conviction that PM's are the ONLY flight to safety in the new economic devolution spreading across the world. I still extoll various gold and silver producers as inevitable beneficiaries of this flight to safety. I still state categorically that NOT all paper will burn in a market crash...it NEVER did before, why now? Nothing has changed in my perspective. I am solid as a rock ( as Bob Seger would say ) and people gravitate toward analysts with pure unqualified conviction. It is all part of the paradigm shift.

Falling demand for gold in Asia or Europe? Falling silver demand in India? Big F*ing Deal!! It will be more than made up for by an amazing surge of PM demand right here in N. America and Europe as people clamber for an investment alternative to collapsing equities and bonds. Rest assured that the bonds bubble will burst, independent of the direction of interest rates. With an equities market collapse, many companies will become insolvent and unable to make payments on their bonds. Many statea and local governments will also become insolvent and fail on their payments. The resultant panic in the bonds market will prove devastating.

As an alternative investment which acts as a hedge against global currency chaos, GOLD and SILVER are it! Deflation, when it triggers pandemic currency crises, CANNOT result in the negation of gold and silver in the long run. There simply are no other historical flights to safety available.

Finally, One thing I speak of with the utmost conviction is this: last Thursday, the gold shorts piled on when gold broke technical support at 278. It was NO accident. Gold was ALLOWED to break technical support; it did not do so on its own momentum or of its volition. Very shortly, we will see a consortium of CB's, power players, and institutions bid gold through the roof. So, unfortunately, the upsurge in gold shorting was a major and fatal mistake for the funds that did so and, shortly ( I would guess within several weeks ) , they will ALL be wiped out.

Repeat. They will ALL be wiped out.

I say this without qualification and without a shadow of a doubt.

GOLD and SILVER have been set up for short squeezes of monumental proportion. There is simply little to no eligible gold/silver inventories available against the massive demand that is building up.

Yes, it is true that commodities fall during deflations. However, what the PM shorts never fully understood is this: gold and silver never were, and are not, and never will be mere commodities.

There never was a NEW PARADIGM.

Just go ask Acampora.

Thanks.

F*

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 02:29
Jack (Dave, about Y2K and fiat money) ID#252127:
Copyright © 1998 Jack/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

As to YK2:
My cellar is not filled with canned foods or a back-up generator and has no arsenal of AK-47's adequately supplied with the proper firing power.

I'm feel convinced that humanity has managed to survive without computers for thousands of years and will find its way with or without their help in the near to intermediate future.

It is my belief that the Y2K type is a desperate gold bug, who rather than see the natural event of gold's dominance, is more intent on pushing the envelope, which in effect signals him out as anti-sociable, to the effect of simularly implicating those who believe in gold, but without the macho bullcrap.

This is not to say that the average citizen should not be prepared for possibilites, but to advertise one's position is stupidity as it puts a focus on one plan for survival and may implicate him unsocialble behavior while the real intent was self reliance and self preservation.

As for debt based currencies and their effect on real things, the bastards that control our societies have gone quite far at the expense of the public, but this is a problem that the public has to solve.

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 00:58
Fred (To: Jack) ID#341234:
-
Usually, people WOULD buy gold when their currency shows signs of trouble. But lately, they only seem to be selling. The Dollar is King. Anyone with assets to protect is buying Dollars in one form or another. This cannot last forever. When the U.S. does finally get sucked in, it will have to try to inflate. That will mark the time to go into gold. I think there is a good chance that gold could be between $200-250 at that point. My guess is that it will be pretty obvious when this starts to happen. I give it a couple of years.

Last, Y2K could throw a monkey wrench into the whole deal. Who know what kind of chaos our computer might cause us?

Date: Mon Aug 31 1998 00:17
Jack (Fred) ID#252127:

With many currencies being battered on a daily basis, what's to stop investors whose currencies are still partially whole from buying gold for investment or insurance purposes?

The purchase of 2500 tonnes ( 80.4 million ounces ) of gold would cost $22 billion at todays price. World wide $22 billion is a drop in the bucket.

Relative to insurance, an ensuing drop in gold to $250 would show a loss of about $2 billion from the $22 billion figure and gold can still turn positive considering the currency situation.

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