Date: Sat Feb 07 1998 20:00

Forklift ( Another ) ID#156161:

What country would have the brilliant wisdom and daring to make gold it's

currency and thus own the world? What new regional entity, yet to form, could

accomplish this?

Mr. Forklift,

Your eyes are, no doubt more clear than mine. Stand here with me as we view this race of two! As in all things, it is a game for some and to others it be life and death. I would say, stop this effort, but it is late in history. So, make ready, as we will be here for the finish!

roiling boiling aerated

Pay naught to voices who say

California is overrated

Some may prefer a Caribbean beach

Or coffee by the Seine

For me I'll take the California coast

And Jacuzzis in the rain

Away……….toserenadeaprettylass

Wondering……..

Does the cumulative effect of the transfer of kinetic energy of 40 minutes worth of raindrops falling on my head, amount to one big wallop in the head? Quick! Call the mathematicians….. Better yet…. Call the Rabbits!

Mr. WetGold,

One fine day, life in your world will change. The newspaper will show what has happened. In that day the price of oil will rise to, prehaps well over $100/bl if purchased with US$ alone. It will cost , perhaps $8.00/bl if purchased with an additional, tiny amount of gold. Perhaps, in a time before 2000, a new oil currency will be born! In that day, debts will burn and currencies will war, and you sir will, with honor, raise your standard of living with Gold!

.....its a small world after all……… its a small world after all……… its a small, small world………..

AHHHHHHHH. Don't get me started…….

Away……………tojaccuzziintherain

There was much more interest in the offerings from a hoard of 20 French Franc gold coins for a tiny fraction over spot gold ( which, BTW, I bought )

I don't know anything about this website source, but the article seems worth reading. R. Dornbusch is quoted.

http://www.workersnews.flex.com.au/wn/wn280198/crisis.html

LGB -

Bummer on the mud. We got 3 of rain in 1 hour yesterday. Along the San Juaquin creek, near where I live and work, was flooded in five minutes. The following picture was taken before the water topped out. At the peak, the car's roofs were barely showing. Got the Kayak inflated, provisions stocked, and I will go back to the wild in the hills and live off the land until the waters recede.

http://www.OCREGISTER.com/news/1998/0298/020798/rain007w.shtml

Mike -

One of my favorite books of all time is, Watership Down. It is a story of epic adventure and sweeping grandeur populated entirely by rabbits. Once you get you mind wrapped around the idea the heroes ( and villains ) are RABBITS, well........ its a cool story.

Rabbits are quite good counters, they can even add and subtract, but only up to five. They even have a word for it, but I forgot the word so you will have to read the book. 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - Over five. That's it, the entire mathematical system of rabbits. Perhaps those of us that mistrust these five wave thingies, have an a kind of primal atavistic memory and that anything over five is just too damn much to think about.

http://space.mit.edu/~pswoj/crackpot/crackpot.html

Brokers and traders will show you, “turn your gold into wealth”, “put it to productive use, Trade It”! “Sell your gold and buy it again, many times”. “Do this and find the value lost from your youth”!

But I say, spend your time in the company of truly wealthy ones, see how they make gold lie very still! Know this now, the world will again, in your time, feel value in gold as never before. And that value will be as the “productive use of holding wealth thru the fire of change”. “Yes, you can also walk in the footsteps of giants”.

Think now in light of the real world around us. Hold your assets in the sun of day, what do we see? A government bond denominated in a currency? Now, remove the currency from the bond, show what is in your hand? Hear me now, we see nothing of “productive use”! Yes, there is supply of the currency, and we have demand for the currency, but the end product is as the space between stars! Even in this “light of day” a trader/

government will tell you, “hold not that commodity, gold, for it is as a dead, unproductive asset”. I say, run from these lies, for they see not deep in the future!

Is this not true? I an slow, but many think for me. Read please:

“Noone can see the value of a real asset when knowing how many currency units it is denominated in. Value is only known when holding one real asset next to another real asset and comparing the currency unit valuations of both. Use as an example, a $75,000 $US Mercedes and a small apartment, also $75,000. They can be traded using the currency as a temporary holding until the transaction is complete. The car and apartment are viewed as having productive use of equal value. However, it is the items that have the value, not the currency unit! The currency is of but momentary value expressed as “the intention of a trade completion”. Complete the trade and “poof” the units hold no future

value. At this point in time, everything in the world is “denominated” in currencies that have no use, except to complete the trade! Trillions upon trillions of digitized currency are currently being held for the “completion of commerce”, extending out into other lifetimes! Of course we are speaking of any form of currency denominated debt, be it

government or private.

The major threat to this collection of wealth holdings would be the introduction of any real asset currency. Any country that could “resource a currency” of use the world over does pose a threat to the wealth of nations greater then war! It is in the realm of possibilities, that a gold or oil based system would bring a resolution to the present

structure as equal to “ a nuclear war of currencies”. Our concept of value, would indeed have to start over. “

Mr. Cjs1, To say “this is good” or “your view is a good one” in my world, is to say “I agree” in your world. “good thoughts flow as cool water for a thirsty mind”

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Date: Thu Feb 05 1998 00:01

JTF ( Peter Munk, ABX, and LBMA ) ID#57232:

Another: Could you tell us more about what Peter Munk may have done?

Mr. JTF,

ABX is in debt for gold. They owe not currency but gold. They are a paper company operating in a paper world. No government will allow any entity to sell gold for thousands an ounce when debts by that country go unpaid. Especially when the paper that represents the gold that is owed by a miner, is held by some who gain thru the loss to the all. In that time, gold will have a far better use. Remember, “gold and oil will ever flow in the same direction”

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Date: Wed Feb 04 1998 23:52

WetGold ( ANOTHER ) ID#243180:

Without speaking in parable ?

Buy physical gold and hold it close. Real wealth can not know time, it is good for all seasons. It will buy you honor during a time without truth!

I will return in a time.

After reconsidering this situation, the solution is clear. China could devalue against other Asian trading partner currencies by selling dollars from their foreign exchange account. They would maintain the 8.7/dollar ratio and increase the value of other currencies against the dollar and the yuan at the same time.

In affect, they would be forcing a dollar devaluation worldwide by large scale selling, maintaining the link with the dollar they promised and devaluing against all other currencies. When they sell dollars, like Japan has been doing, gold will climb, so they will buy gold before that.

How do we know when China is buying?

http://www.eaglewing.com/compare.htm

But, my bet is north ( and my bull spreads will benefit much better than my puties ) .

once again ( for those more dull, pay attention Ted ) .....

*****PENNANT PATTERN ALERT******

smoke 'em if ya' got 'em!!!!! Get Real, Get Gold!!!!!!

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away...to mow some lawns with cherokee...... ( applying war paint and lathering in buffalo sweat ( for power ) ) ..... ( whew! ) .......the stench....but.......i feel the strength......... ( holding his nose ) .......

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now -- didn't the wooly mammoth extinction occur in a blaze of white about 10-12,000 years ago? did they find any frozen scottish kilts with the mammoths?

Take Care, AuRatoR!

Z-Z-Z Time For Me.

I also vaguely remember a reference to positrons being considered as time-reversed electrons, something Feynmann referred to as well. All matter could be considered as 'standing waves' of some kind of radiation, similar to that of maxwells equations.

'Negative light' might also relate to the idea of 'virtual photons' surrounding us -- the 'free energy' or 'zero point' energy. This may be a rather loose association, as the 'zero point' energy fluctations are probably more likely to be virtual elementary particles of some kind -- not necessarily photons.

I hope I did not confuse you -- the area I am discussing is poorly understood by many physicists, although there are undoubtedly some who understand it better than I. It is unfortunate the E. T. Whittaker is no longer alive -- as I think he would have some interesting things to say.

I now know the Pons and Fleischmann stuff was not hokum and that it was not 'cold fusion'. As a MIT study showed, the energy phenomenon appears to be of nuclear origin even though the expected radioactive decay products were not identified.

This fellow's energy source is hard to believe -- somehow associated with 'hydrino' formation -- a very low energy form of hydrogen. If he is correct, there must be a ( catalytic? ) link between 'chemical' forces and 'nuclear' forces. After Pons and Fleischman, this can no longer be ridiculed. There is also some credence to the theory that lower energy states of 'hydrogen' could exist, as one could imagine the proton in helium or other higher molecular weight elements as consisting of 'hydrinos' and neutrons. Hydrogen would then consist of 'hydrinos', electrons, and lots of energy. But -- classical physics would tell us that there is an energy barrier of millions of degrees farenheit -- preventing this energy release from occurring except inside a stellar furnace, or in the hydrogen bomb -- the 'Lawson criterion' for the purists out there. If there were a catalyst of some kind, imagine the significance of accessing the energy locked inside the hydrogen atom, say in a molecule of water. Our supply of energy would be virtually limitless, and the stars would truly be ours!

And -- we could use oil for its rightful use -- not as a wasteful energy source -- but for making plastics and other synthetic chemicals.

Our biggest hurdle in this area lies behind the theory of 'free' or 'zero-point' energy, and the solid state phsyics of the Pons-Fleischmann effect. Lastly, there is one other point all of you who are interested in this area should think about. What if practical 'free energy' devices were available -- so that virtually everyone had a nearly limitless source of free energy? Is the human race ready for this? This could be an even greater threat to the stability of the human race than nuclear energy. I think our ticket to the stars requires an energy source like this -- but is our civilization mature enough to handle this? I don't know. I would like to believe that devices such as this will have built-in 'limiters' so that the energy release would be more like a super-chemical reaction, rather than nuclear. But -- science doesn't work that way, does it? Perhaps there is a good reason why we don't have limitless energy at this time in our stage of mental development.

Sorry JD you got bested……..

Aurator-

I admit to a certain self absorption with my limes, I'm working on it. If recollection serves, I have run across a tomato or two from the Under Continent of genus long leggus and perfectus tanus, and if tomatoes of this caliber are thirsting and have naught but zucchinis to comfort them in these dark hours, I will, of course put down my worldly pursuits and fly to your side. We WILL comfort these tomatoes.

Don't worry, I will bring the limes.

OK

I was attacked by an idiot today. The guy took enormous umbrage that he could not buy gold for the price he sees on the TV.

Ted & Avacado Boy - who mask genuine affection with manly banter -

Speaking of the sea kayak, I saw a PBS special about some offshore kayak maniacs who paddle the caves of the central California coast. These guys would be off Big Sur somewhere and wait for the swell to drop and expose the submerged entrance to the cave. They would paddle like mad and be inside the cave as the swell rose and the entrance was cut off. They brought a camera inside and there were times that the kayaker had to roll to keep from being squashed against the roof by the rising water.

I have an inflatable kayak that I take out on Newport Bay in the summer, and have struck up more than one conversation with a pretty lass on a million dollar yacht, from my $200 boat. Been on the deck of the yacht before and the funny thing is, it works better from the kayak*.

*Reprinted with permission from the author: Courting and Mating Rituals in Southern California Coastal Waterways, Volume VIII.