( I posted some other stuff for you earlier but assumed, because you didn't respond, that you hadn't seen it )

Anyway, you can let me know by email whatever suggestions you may have. ( bkitner@kitco.com. )

However, I couldn’t help to see various posts form cheese heads on this site confidently talking about Green Bay’s win over the “Donkeys”. Well the “Donkeys” took a big dump on those packers, and the packers then took a big gulp. The heavily favored team from the cheese state was outplayed and dazed by the first serious rushing attack they have faced this season. All we heard in these parts were the defensive strength and average weight of the packer players. However, as evidenced today, this outstanding defense was absent - probably out having a few Gilbert Burgers. For you severely humbled cheesehead packer fans, it must be tough, but there is cause to celebrate. I think there is lesson here…..

It is this same “underdog- ism” that dogs the gold market. The paper markets supported by their marketing arm, the big talking business media, is busy talking like the big talking packers were. But, statistically the Broncos had the edge, just as if you apply rational to gold, it has the edge over the paper markets. For all on this site and especially anyone that will admit to being a packer fan or paper bug, talk is cheap, the underdog CAN prevail in the end. NOBODY THOUGHT THE BRONCOS WOULD WIN, NOBODY THINKS GOLD WILL WIN.

We are elated here in Denver, just absolutely elated. I also believe that we will all be elated over the future of gold! The mountains are rumbling here in Colorado and in Green Bay land the cheese must be crumbling!!

StarShine - Shining Bright in the Rocky Mountains!

I am respectfully requesting your assistance in creating one of the very few advertising- free postings groups on the net. Thanks in advance for your kind cooperation.

This URL actually covers all minerals, including gold, for all countries in the world. Select a country by pointing at the map.......

http://minerals.er.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/country/

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980125/wall_st_wk_2.html

Wall St faces more losses as Clinton woes deepen

http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980125/wall_st_fa_1.html

All positive for gold IMHO. Investors should review old- fashioned advice about having a proportion of investments in precious metal as insurance.

Don't like football, played as a kid, but my dad made me…………… Will not be watching Super Bowl………. But I do like to bet…………. Could someone post quarterly scores?

Again Kitco helps me track my investments……..Thanks…….

CIIIQ5

Images of gold and silver inflated, after the theft of prosperity, will be thrown into the fire in anger; exhausted and disturbed by the public debt paper and coin will be pulped.

CVIIIQ28

Power will be despised because of the currency devaluation and the people will rebel against the head of state. Peace will be proclaimed; through a new fact, sacred laws corrupted. Never was Paris in such dire disarray.

CVIQ23

The importance ( ascendancy? ) of credit ( fiat money? ) and the abundance ( CB oversupply? ) of gold and silver will blind men greedy for honour. The offence of deception will be known by him who attains his own great dishonour ( You Know Who! )

CVIIIQ14

They will complain of lost wealth and weep over choosing [politicians] who will make mistakes from time to time. Very few men will want to follow them, deceived as they will be by their speeches.

CVIIQ35

The heads of states and governments will fabricate imitations of gold [excess of paper money]; prophets will make forecasts devoid of sense [speeches of politicians and economists]. The horn of plenty [consumer society] will fall victim to them and violence will follow peace. The prophecies will be fulfilled.

CIIIQ26

It's as true now as it was in 1555- or is it?

Some things are bullshit plain and simple.

Heimdal spoke to the human guard standing next to him, they must be allowed to think and speak freely. Each of us has his or her place, what they are talking about in there is when loneliness has a friend, an American.

Sheesh. Here, have some coffee, you look tired. What's an American?

Mozel is inside vociferously defending your ability to be the one whom I just handed the coffee to.

Hmmmm, so what you are saying is that when I cannot think for myself, mozel is defending my right to think for myself? Exactly you fathead.

Is he a fair minded fellow? Yes, spill one more drop you, you seem angered, nah, so you understand why we are here standing guard?

Coffee ain't bad.

In the past, there were questions about his highness and medical records. Were these inferrences physical or mental? An important consideration since the media has decided to exert considerable 'pressure' here. Does anybody know how the ashtry situation is in the 'house'?

In all seriousness, if the White Staff starts to fall apart, the financial markets will not be far behind. A.G. is old and R.R. has a net worth in excess of $100 million. Why should they hang around for this mud slinging event?

Art. II, sec. 3

He ( the Pesident ) shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.....

As I understand it, a report of the State of the Union in required, but the speech is a relatively new custom. Its all window dressing, the President can blow the whole speech off if he wants to. Poor choice of words, considering recent events.

JTF -

Its 75 degrees and sunny outside. I will research you query. Just How is the surf today? Just how skimpy will the local bikinis be? These questions demand my attention, why am I indoors with this stupid keyboard?

Away………tosunandfunandlookattheflesh

I have talked to 'new' market players recently. Their take is that as long as their stock is going up, who cares what the market as whole is doing. Classic newbie behavior, ignore the general market direction at your own peril, I tell them; And they do… I keep on saying, Place stop loss orders for day or GTC to protect your profits. They won't do it for fear of getting stopped out and 'missing the big move up'. Asia does not matter to them. B.C.'s travails does not matter to them. I wonder if losing their money will?

Guy rushes into a talent agent's office with a pooch under his arm and says You gotta see this! You gotta hear this! This dog can talk! Sure, sure, the jaded agent says rising from his chair about to throw man and dog out. Fido, says the man, What 's on top of a house? Roooof says the mutt. See, see, the man exclaims, he said ROOF! The agent starts to glower at the both of them, but the man presses the pooch once more. What's a woman's name?' he asks the dog. ROOOOF says the mutt. See, see, he said RUTH! The agent has just about had it, but the guy says to the dog Who was the best ballplayer that ever lived? Rooooof says the dog. See, see, says the man excitedly, he said Babe Ruth! whereupon the agent throws them both out into the hall.

On the way to the elevator, the dog sticks his head out from under the man's arm and say Maybe I shoulda said DiMaggio?

mozel - - That's a good question! WHO does have THE FOOTBALL? No, I'm not talking about football.

http://www.dreamtime.net/alerts/alert23.htm

Local Johannesburg news -

Personal Finance - Saturday Star, under heading of Few can Predict Future of Markets' - Money Matters/by Magnus Heystek.

- A quick guide to the various views in the week- end papers:

- Personal Finance Lead Story, quoting several top fund managers: Hang on to your shares and unit trusts, the market is recovering

- Clive Roffey, writing for the Sunday Independent: The great bear market has just begun. Sell all your shares and buy GOLD. The gold price will rally

- Derek Sumption [Sunday Independent] The rand is not doing too badly

- Stephen Mulholland[Sunday Times] One third in cash, one third in property & one third in the stock market

- Saturday Star Property Section: Interest rates to boost property market

- And we had Fred Crooks on Radio 702 this week: Something is going to happen in the next month. Stock markets will come crashing down and the gold price will rise STAGGERINGLY [my own caps] [Sharefin?@JTF?@MikeS?- do you agree?]

So there you have it from good old RSA, [Jhbg version].

JIN- Are you back? How are things with you? Do take care- have thought of you often..

Thanks for trying to help with z

Wow I give up. He's one tough little cookie

You mean he's gonna call me little boy

I might crack if he does that - he made me wince

when he said I was shameless - ohooooo that hurt.

Im covered all over with bruises and scratches -

maybe I can pour a little absolute on my wounds.

He said I was a propagandist - thats a pretty big

word hey.

All I did was call him a mushroom - he took it the

wrong way I think.

Whats wrong with mushrooms - I love them.

Im gonna leave him alone - that mushroom's got a

mean streak.

I have all stravinsky on cd - and all dmitri symphony

except No 15. dmitri can turn string sections inside out.

A genious - Rachmaninov ok too - I was russian in past life.

but was not RED - maybe was romanov family - I think I was

Anastasia. I remember snow - vodka - caviar - blini - sounds

like Russia - am I wrong

I believe speculate comes from the latin root word speculari to look at or examine. Prediction comes from from the latin root praedicare, to make known ( or literally to speak before ) .

My thought is that speculation involves taking into the brain certain

thoughts and processing them, and perhaps coming to a conclusion. There

is no requirement of output. Predicting involves speaking and/or writing, ( output only ) and at best assumes that the thought processes involved in speculation occurred, including that the prediction accurately defines the results of the thinking going on in the mind of the person who makes it.

When it comes to predictions...caveat emptor. However, I may have

been a bit too hard on predictors in the previous posting. Thanks.

Hey Earl, I hear they got Vietnamese Nuoc Mam in the Asian food markets in New York now. Got to get over to Flu- shing some weekend and see. Best fish gravy in the world. None like it. Had some 33 Beer from Saigon brewery already out here on the Island. They go into Chinatown in Manhattan to get it by the case. Still tastes like that old rotten Saigon water. Good old Tiger Piss. Yummmmm.

And so they must face the beginning of the end.

I am HEIMDAL, or they see me as his likeness.

The end of my life is dying from wounds killing Loki, SO BE IT! Gleefully I enter the netherworld. My last thoughts are not of a pension.

TED There is nothing for you to have done, to kneel before me as I am midget and therefore only half as tall of all of that which I know is not just more than me, but that which you are when you have scaled the kindness of your mind and there is no looking back.

There is nothing for me as I see the rainbow under that which I think I stand upon other than my wish for your willingness to be kind to others.

Thus having been uttered I say this, live free or die and explain this to children .

looking at charts - gold MAY have just penetrated

recent highs in stirling,swiss, and the dmark. The

downslope topside yen resistance line may just been

broken. Its thin - a move up in gold in currencies

tomorrow would be great.

Tomorrow Ill TRY to find out where the DDeep buying

was coming from. Must be foreign. I can probably

find out the broker buying - Im mystified - DD is a thin

market - I tried to sell 2% of the company myself about

some months ago. It took a month. Their results will be

out in a day or two - they MUST be pretty poor. Have

they done a deal with Bernatz

Do you get Northern Miner? They do have some S African stuff. I like it because it is unbiased - - although they got taken to the cleaners like the rest of us with Bre- X.

btw, I will heed your 'warnings' and will take the proper steps next week. LARGE sums have been made from your advice ( free mind all ) and I plan to keep on keeping on!! Thanks BRO!! Someday we shall meet and my life will be more full because of it....

away

Éß

Lets be buddies - Im sorry i called you a mushroom.

or was it a toadstool. Anyway let's try and find some

common ground.

In the course of my travels, I was fortunate enough

to spend four wonderful years in the magical city of

Istanbul. I travelled all over turkey and love it -

Cok guzel bir memliket - hey? .

Now I love Turkey and I love Turks- the most mis-

understood and mischievously maligned people on

earth - dont you agree What do YOU think of Turkiye?.

Cmon - open up. Trying to find common ground. want to

work together - men of good will kind of thing.

Do you like turkiye Ever been there

MikeS - gonna try your beans today...... ( poot, poot! ) ...GET REAL, GET GOLD!!

Ted - Lock and Load......'I'm comin ta git ya', jimmy hendrix...

JohnD & Tzadeak - In the words of the great Rodney King....can't we all just get along C'mon boys, bury it, for the sake of world peace, eh?

Nick@C - Welcome back mate. Funny post last night ( first one ) . NIce holiday You seem well relaxed....and just intime for the ( possible ) bull move. Aye, Matey!!

Aurator - My NZ friend. I will take the bait no longer. Just wanted to have fun and with it and I got more grief. boo hoo. I am still your cyber friend, no? What are your solutions for us lowly yankees ( 250,000,000 strong ) .....hey wait a second, I'm not taking the bait again, strike that last question. GET REAL, GET GOLD!! And the Indians ( namerican ) and the Mexicans knew about the gold loooooong before whitey did. We just exploited it like we do so well, huh. But, i gotta say I like where I live and happy birthday gold rush!! And happy day to you down under...

all ( who care ) - Have a Super Bowl Day!!! ( big smile )

away...to the pre- game....¡Öh M¥!

Éßcouchpotato

Also - - if gold skyrockets, it is unlikely that the SA mines will be shut down - - even with the looming political instability in that part of the world. No one will want to kill the golden goose, I think.

You really know how to hurt a guy.

Back to your charts - Look at some

REAL STOCKS - Glad to see you're

taking an interest. But dont you

dare buy any - I wont permit it.

No toadstools allowed.

How are your surfer friends by the way? Still looking for the big one to roll in from the western horizon?

Frank Brown worked at Northwestern University, in Evanston, Illinois, and published much work on the lunar effects on plant and animal life. To the frustration of his colleagues, little could be said to ridicule his work. He died some years ago, and as you might imagine, noone picked up the baton. The scientific community was not ready.

I have searched the web several times, to no avail, but I can give you all the references I have - - don't even have abstracts! Perhaps you will have some success where I have not - - wish I didn't have such a busy daytime job!

Frank Brown's Reference titles that I have:

Brown, F.A. , Biological Clocks: Endogenous Cycles Synchronized by Subtle Geophysical Rythms, Biosystems 8 ( 1976 ) :67- 81.

- - - - - - ,The 'Clocks' Timing Biological Rythms, American Scientist 60 ( 1972 ) :756- 766.

- - - - - - and Chow, C.S., Field Interactions Between Organisms,Biological Bulletin 145 ( 1973 ) :437- 61.

- - - - - - Lunar- Correlated Variations in Water Uptake by Bean Seeds, Biological Bulletin 145 ( 1973 ) :265- 78.

- - - - - - , Hastings, J.W., and Palmer, J.D., The Biological Clock: Two Views ( New York: Associated Press, 1970 ) .

Hope this helps - - Please let me know if you get anywhere!

Quixotic 1

Instead of paying the premiums for collectable coins, put you $ in bullion coins. You should be paying no more that 13 - 14 dollars over spot price, delivered.

Sheller -

Always go for the BIG shrimp. Life is short, peel not.

Wooo boy - you are losing it - You'll all over the place.

Calm down. Really - get help - You're getting a complex.

I dont like you much but I dont want you to go mental.

Have a prozac - take a nap. Even better, take a trip.

What is your problem - insecurity, fear of failure,

fear of inadequacy and inferiority ( cant help you much there ) .

You're ok really - you just find it all to hard to

understand. You'll get it right some day. Keep trying.

Maybe I can help you.

Forget it Mike - Deelkraal merged with Elandsrand. Doorns

also went away - It merged in some way - over a year ago -

I could look it up - they no longer exist as independent

companies. Sorry about that - Try finding something stellar

about Randfontein or Harmony ( harmony of the Universe ) or

Northam Platinum if you can - Or even east- daggafontein.

It is always unfortunate when a big cycle like this goes from positive to negative, but as someone wiser that me said ( paraphrasing ) : the seeds of the next cycle are often sown when trouble looms.

One just needs to be optimistic, and patiently look for the renewing cycle.

PS - I have not forgotten about sending you the sunspot graphs - - I bought a new version of Netscape - - but it was Windows 95 only. Will be upgrading soon I hope. Right now I can receive graphs, but not send them. Maybe my ATT ISP is playing tricks with me, because I was able to do this several months ago.

Hope all is well in SA! Your precious metals market is going to get a big boost very soon, I think.

go gold...

away...to the cape....post haste

Éßrides!

1 ) Asia economic distress.

2 ) Bosnia.

3 ) Iraq.

4 ) Put in whomever else may want to test the 'new' guy or, pique the weakened one. This is probably the greatest danger.

These are not good things to have hanging under the current state of affairs. This will probably bode well for gold if gold can move another $10 - $20 in one day. This will attract much attention in the financial markets. Who was it that said to throw out your charts?

So - - I have reason to believe that the total Solar Eclipse on Feb 26 may be highly significant. My guess is that we will have a major market event within 2 weeks or less from that date.

Mike Sheller - - any words of wisdom? If you are not an eclipse specialist, can you contact one of your Astrology friends you trust?

MikeSheller@My NEW moved Sun!! Thank you, Mike! So where should I invest in GOLD Underground?= 4th= A MINE ( :- ) ) And a new SILVERY Moon 9th- WHICH foreign country?

Crooks is not into astrology- but did stress recently that 'crash' was not necessarily an instantaneous event, but a start/continuation of something/cycle/wave?.

Reminds me, JTF of what you once said, and which I just loved..?

Time is something we use to identify cycles. We know that time is

something that we as humans need to understand our reality. However, quantum mechanics tells us that past, present and future are connected, so in one sense time is artificial.

What if the essence of a cycle is that reality has folded over on itself? In other words, when a cycle is repeated, a little bit of that former time becomes part of the present, and vice versa.

In other words, the more a cycle repeats, the more past,

present and future become linked.

Regards..

Hmmmmmmmmm, I like you son, hate would not have been the word of choice for the disposal of a particulate of mine emotive, specific. Ergo, ( a poorly dressed man from Smyrna ) would have lied to you without placing carpets. There are many villages within Persia and the women know when to rinse no matter what you think.

There is mud above ankle depth, I hold back the riders of my choosing for the death of a loved one, killing a friend must be done by the properly chosen. Anything less is disrespectful to love, honor and I might add my promise to Mommy T.

Think again, speak not so quickly about your self- abortion, and your comment I HATE KIDS!!!

Mommy- T has stayed my hand with a touch that gentle never knew.

Her words, HONESTY is that which should ( will ) need no forgiveness, the truth is what each of us greet the sunrise with, hopefully thinking we have chosen the correct path, Mommy- T never liked shoes, but that is a totally different psalm.

If you truly feel what you said to me I say go in peace and one piece, I shall stay the reins of the riders I have chosen.

Verdi is not going to leave without displeasure, but I will point to the Swans and the Danube.

For me, for you son, not of mine, I shall go and sit beneath the tree of woe and contemplate.

We think upon various aspects of thought differently.

I have a contract with no payment, I am the protection of children, S- M- ALLs small tiny persons.

You have committed no crime here save angering me.

I HATE KIDS…….

Hmmmmmm, beneath the tree of woe.

Markets do NOT like uncertainty! This is almost the worst case scenario for the markets. Whither the 'safe haven'? Go gold.......

Why should AlGore be any better? He has the taint of Clinton. The Democratic party is now considering its' political position.

And my satirical hookah post, yesterday, was just that ( wink ) . Besides, 'The Man' already knows where I live and what I do with my spare time ( no great secret ) . My subversiveness is WELL documented...uh huh, and I have no 'cause'...uh uh.

I made my first ( ever ) purchase of a plat coin last week. Bought it from a local coin shop. Told the dealer before I got it that I was being 'had' but I didn't care......it was a small coin first issue and it is very beautiful. It will make a nice addition to my golf bag. Have yet to take it for a spin on the course......thinking about it before the game though. The weather is FANTASTIC here ( clear& sunny in the high 60's low 70's perhaps ) ....great day in my alma- mater S.D.

away...to enjoy life

Éß

My assessment is that if a German official wants an emergency G7 meeting to dicuss consequences of the SEAsian crisis - that is a PR mistake - - as what should have been said is that they would be discussing how to bail out SEAsia, even if that were not true. The German PR guys were asleep at the switch - - panic time in Germany.

The Monicagate situation is the worst fix BC has ever been in - - even his former key whitehouse staff are talking about the possibility of impeachment - - and only Hillary seems to be on the warpath ( I wonder - - who is she madder at - - the press, Monica or BC? ) . The Monicagate crisis, and the fact the that the Democrats are yelling panic about SEAsia in congress to get the $18 billion IMF money - - is waking up the sleepy American Giant that keeps the US markets up.

My guess is that the pros in the US markets might pull the plug very soon - - but the average mom and pop are not ready to sell. It will take a little time before they pull their retirement money out of the markets.

So perhaps your lockstep market is ready for a fall - - next week will be interesting - - just how much of the market is in the hands of the pros - - that is the part that will go first, I think. No matter what happens, I am convinced that the US markets have seen their all- time highs until after y2k - - unless Europe goes under.

Never was crazy bout Sinatra personally, but as I've gotten older I have come to appreciate that quality of voice and phrasing that marks a simply natural singer. It's not that he never sang a bad song, it's that he always made everything he sang sound good. Still love Frankie Laine tho.

Your 11:54 really touched me.

Your 11:54 really touched me.

http://www.ngegold.com/nge- support/prod02.htm

Shop around before you buy.

Certified coins are highly liquid and can be bought/sold over the phone with ease, no question on grading.

Maybe some of the coin dealers on the site can help you with some of the specifics you asked about.

Should history be repeated, another gold seizure would tend to ( instantly ) reprice collector coins at a much higher level as a safe haven. The next question would perhaps logically be, what is a collector coin?

There is no easy answer to this, but many feel that pre- 1933 gold coins of any nationality would be safe. I personally feel that to prove your intent as a collector rather than a hoarder, it is important to hold a variety of issues, dates, and grades, preferably certified/encapsulated by on of the commercial coin grading services.

Can I read your post as expecting the gold shares to be caught in that down draft, but the metal to not be negatively impacted. In fact, I sense you are quite optimistic on the metal. True?

It was W.H.Auden. He also wrote the libretto for

Igor Stravinsky's opera the Rake's Progress inspired by the

paintings ( or engravings ) of Hogarth.

They are a few of the most ominous lines in the English

language and perhaps a sign of the times.

I forgot to mention -

You also said You jsut ( ) can't stand the fact

that nearly $80million bought ABX yesterday and maybe

US$5million bought DROOY

Answer Yes, I can stand that. for your information,

there are only 39 million shares of DROOY outstanding

against 373 million shares of ABX.

That's the reason that one share of DROOY represents

2.8 oz of gold reserves while one share of abx represents

only 0.25 oz of reserves. Also I assume you refer to

DROOY volume in the US. It also trades here - abx does

not - and in London - maybe Zurich too Im not sure.

I cannot imagine what would have happened to the

price of DROOY had $80 mill US gone after the stock.

It would have trebled in a day. Just not much script

old chum. Plus Rangold owns a bit which is not on

the market.

Yes the big dough is picking up DROOY- Guys who prefer

paper to gold are buying ABX.

I am not recommending DROOY - I want to see their

quarterly results - but Im getting interested.

Im REALLY sorry - I got you mixed with CA- per

For caper -

What I wrote for REfer was really for you - I forgot what

it was now - read it or dont who cares.

Horse races on now - bye

You are one sweetie pie

for refer

Have printed out your post - must reflect - will reply

for mozel

Your point on silver/gold brilliant - never thought of this.

Gold is political - look at the Governments in Korea and

Thailand rake it in - ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

bags of silver $ in the cellar is the way to go -

with Oris 's coach guns in the hallway. State's rights

hurray - If they reform the army of northern virginia

ill come back to the South. This time we'll take Washington-

only who wants it .... the bonny blue flag that bears a

single star - - a rebel yell is in order at this stage.

On the bilderberg/tris/etc

If Strigas is all we have to worry about then we are safe.

this guys mixes the Black sea and the North sea - and

does Openheimer really live in Moscow!!. - try London or

Joberg. Comment Please coleen. Strigas - REally ?

But I believe this rest - except for Warren Cristopher who

I always considered a Disney creation - ever see Pinocchio

Am I wrong Is it my imagination

For Winston

Im really sorry - Got up this morning looking for trouble.

To answer your question - look at charts - Drooy

for example has been so high in the recent past that it was

silly.

I only had Drooy myself once and that was by accident. I

was in blyvoor and buffels and got caught up in the DDeep

takeover - I had too much stock to get out easy. I still

hold some DD options ( a lot really - good till 2003 I think

at a crazy strike price )

It's possible for these stocks just like any stocks

to be overvalued. Gold stocks are not always the answer.

Its just that they are cheap now - I doubt if the US golds

will retain their stupid price advantage over RSA AND aussie

stocks

- people sre getting smarter and wont buy the phoney LOW COST

figures that do not reflect in the profit/loss statements.

Also the bre- x disaster and munks sale of abx by his

real estate company are BAD for their fading credibility.

- but one must NEVER underestimate the US ability to

misinform. They ARE Experts.

Your point is good in that Americans can move money around

as they like ( within limits ) - however they may then fall in

the tax clutches of other countries ( even like Australia

which HAS capital gains tax ) .

The idea of one world Government is aimed at stopping that

freedom. I NEVER believed that the EU would come to pass but

now it looks like it will - because politicos WANT it - they

control the press and the media and people will think what

they WANT them to think. It's amazing really - 1984 was just

a little later than people imagined. The justification for

world government will be to stop war ( which politicians start ) -

and will wind surrendering individual freedom - Frankly Ill

take war any day.

The internet represents world wide freedom of assembly.

Politicians will come to hate it. Justification to control

it will be spread of terrorism - child pornography -

maybe new reasons will come.

My point is that all this is more serious than it may seem

when you're perving on some bird at the beach.

1 NA stocks are VERY OVERPRICED in terms of their EARNINGS

per share. That is the ONLY reason I would not buy them.

IF they had low p/e ratios, cheap reserves and paid big

dividends I would buy them - they DONT for gods sake

Its nothing personal. You asked me why - I told you.

2. politically unstable is a catch phrase used

by low grade dorks who cant think beyond the press and

the TV set. The US is thinking about impeaching their

leader who thinks blow jobs arent sex in a country who's

covered the world with their debt and is about to lead

a major market collapse and a banking system thats in

real trouble and may invade Iraq to divert attention from

their internal political problems and you tell me that

you think RSA which produces more gold than the US and

is well protected from the world banking system and

has few enemies is PU.

Well really old bean - I suggest you do some thinking about

that little item -

3 - but please winston dont buy any RSA stocks for

yourself - I dont think you're ready for it.

You also said, I believe ( I don't want to misquote you, ahem ) that you wouldn't buy any NA mining companies. Is this because their overall acumen in mining and the gold markets is inferior?

If my questions are worthy of a response, I would sure appreciate one. Thank's.

Sorry - I dont mean YOU are planning to start a newsletter.

I suspect ( lets call him Z ) fancies planning to start a

newsletter. Im probably wrong on this -

Not you refer - never you -

Sorry - tried to cover 2 birds with one missile - my misdeed.

Just trying to Clarify who started what and that I dont really

care.

I have difficulty with your para one and two - maybe im misreading

Para 1 seems to says that the oil price is fixed in terms of oz of gold per bbl of oil - But para 2 implies that if demand

goes down - the supliers must get the same amount of gold

even IF offtake FALLS.

Wait a minute - I cant believe that is what you are

saying.

1. set the price of oil in terms of GOLD = 0.66 oz of gold

for a bbl of arab light ex Ras tanura ( for example ) . Thats

easy .

2. but providing a fixed amout of gold regardless of offtake

in almost impossible - That means the price of oil in gold

must go UP if offtake falls. The converse is the real

problem - unlimited offtake and the price of oil falls in gold

terms as offtake is increased. NO - never fly. Saudis wont go

for that - this is a replay of the 1970s when they clamped the

oil off - I was there.

I can believe ( 1 ) but big oil cos take oil to various

affiliates and are paid $$ for ultimate tranfer to Saudis

after their cut ( for supply and downstream ) - Then Saudis

take money to Banks and buy gold - is that mechanism ?

Sorry to appear stupid. Please expand. Im very interested.

To all

regarding Mike - not Only has he got STAR POWER - he has

rice and BEAN power. I think we're talking about some

serious power here.

To Oris - Why dont you try apologizing to shaslick on

my behalf like I did for you with Ziva - I DARE you.

That coach gun sounds great.

You asked a factual question ( ? ) - did Drooy drop 80% vs

ABX 40%

Answer - YES

YOU asked where are yours ( recommendations ) for Drooy

Answer - Nowhere- I never recommended it

You asked and you just want a piece of the action dont

you

Answer I have a piece of the action

You asked Why are you recommending shares in the first

place ?

Answer I only recommend shares if asked. I report earnings

on RSA mining companies as they are reported here. That way

anyone interested gets a jump on the news before the

newsletter guys put it together. Im not devious enough even

to consider taking a position in anything GOOD before

releasing the info. If people dont want me to do this, Ill

stop - It actually takes a bit of time and Id rather watch

cricket or go to the races - you see little one Ive made

so much money on RSA stocks in the past that I havent had to

work for 16 years

You asked why do you care what facts I post

Answer I feel that your facts are not facts at all

but selected bits of information garnered from press articles

all slanted in the direction of Anti South African propaganda.

I have no idea why you are so biased and I dont care. I

feel obligated to try to correct your stream of misinformation.

I have singled out south africa - If I read you other posts

more closely, I would probably find the level of misinformation

is equally bad. ( maybe Im being unkind )

Then You asked What are you so concerned that a thinking

person ...... different view of SA ........ other than yours

and state so

Answer - Im not so concerned and I dont consider you

what I would call a thinking person.

I hope I have answered all your questions - Please call

again.

I would not report on this except that shaslick and Haggis

have already done so- they BOTH failed to mentioned something.

Yes de judge is BLACK - nobody seems very bothered by that,

other than people in Canada and Australia.

Problem is dat de judge canNOT speak Afrikaans. And Botha

has the right to a trial is English, Afriksans, or maybe

any of another 9 official languages ( ) here. Trial is

put off for 30 days. They have to think about this.

Haggis concerned that Botha doesnt look as good as he did

10 years ago. Im concerned that I dont look as good as I did

10 years ago -

Nor Haggis

Ayeeeee

For Zaddek the misinformer

Just for the record - I NEVER recommended Drooy

at ANY price - but I have maintained that RSA stocks

are a better investment than NA stocks - I still think

so ( and in spades ) . I also like Aussie juniors.

There are NO US or Canadian stocks that I would buy.

Now to the issue.

Ersel ASKED me what stock I would recommend for

his grandmother _ I PUSHED nothing nor do I have an

interest in pushing stocks. I own NO VAAL REEFS -

I OWN NO DROOY - I OWN some DROOY options. ABOUT

1/3 of my investments are AUSSIE stocks - delta and

ramsgate and Carpenter plus a few remaining long puts

on the S& P. In rsa stocks I hold Harmony, Avgold,

Randfontein, E- dagga ( for the 29% div ) , and Northam

Platinum.

I quote what I said to ersel .

I would suggest Vaal Reefs and cancel her subcription to

all newspaper and sell her TV set. Read books, go to movies,

garden, take walks, develope an interest in cricket. Enjoy

a better life.

Also leave the room at the mention of the dreaded name

Zaddeek the misspeller.

You QUOTED me as saying Stop reading the newspapers, dont watch

TV just LISTEN TO ME ( caps mine ) .

I did NOT say what you quoted, small misinforming person.

I only want people to listen to me, when I think

someone ELSE is misinforming them. I want people to

think for themselves, do their own calculations, and

question ALL sources of information. I simply said

NOT TO LISTEN TO YOU. Theres a difference, little one.

THE Fact that you MISQUOTED me to prove some point

means either that you are a liar, or that you cannot read

clearly. I like to think its the latter.

My point is that a great deal of misinformation

has been and is being spread about South Africa. For

whatever reasons, you among many others, continue to

do that. I dislike misinformation. Although I dont

know you, I suspect that I would dislike you too.

For Refer - was it you?

Actually - Zladekl started this a long time ago -

But whos counting - Point is now I figure this little

nonentity plans to write a NEWSLETTER and figures there's

some dough in it. He has a problem with me because his

mind is so miniscule that he cannot imagine anyone taking

the time I take on this stuff without making some money on

it in SOME WAY. He's got a point there - Sometimes I

wonder myself - Guess I just enjoy the company. with a few

exceptions. But thats to be expected in any good pub.

If it makes you feel better - I started it - and Im not

gonna stop.

Alas the stage has now been set, so all we need is trigger to cause a collapse of confidence in the US then stand back and watch the fireworks. It is the start of the Chinese New Year next week so fireworks are appropriate. Anyway, this is why I am in gold just now. Zippergate just helped me make some money last week on gold and I hope the same again next week.

So my learned readers, the question is, if Willie goes then what will gold do and will there be a great sucking noise on Wall Street, if so, the gold rise may be short lived and it will be time to head for the hills or go shrimp fishing. Should I fill the barrow with gold or shrimp.

Forrest

In my experience, you can draw a chart of price- vs- MS grade for any coin type, and there will be a grade at which the price rises substantially - therefore premium over bullion is increasing; I buy below that point.

For generic certified coins, I believe these national dealers to be reputable sources of coins with low buy- sell spreads:

F.J.Vollmer ( 800 ) 447- 8368
Jefferson Coin ( 800 ) 877- 8847
National Gold Exchange ( 813 ) 969- 4111
Dillon Gage ( 800 ) 375- 4653

Right after that they get their butt kicked by someone else who doesn't believe in liberty either.

The low price of gold reflects the reality of peace now, but it certainly doesn't guarantee the future.